Prediction: If the dems win the Senate and Presidency, they will not move to add justices to the court. Instead, they will go after Kavanaugh for lying under oath. Having him impeached would move the court to 5-4 GOP with a reasonable Roberts as the tiebreaker. They can sell the move as not stealing the court because it's still 5-4 and they are just getting back that justice spot stolen by McConnell. The base will go along because it gets the court back to some reasonable level and the GOP won't be able to complain too much given that Kavanaugh clearly lied under oath and they still have the majority. There is much less political cost to the move and it rights the injustice of a felon being on the court.

So I'm curious what people think will happen if Biden loses, but the senate flips. I know it's unlikely to happen, but it's possible.The electoral college doesn't help senators like it helps the president.

Would a newly Dem senate move to impeach? Would they wait for him to break the law again, which he surely would, and then move to impeach? Would they try to work with him? Would they use their position as leverage and try to get progressive things passed? I mean, Trump doesn't care abut deficits, and he would be loved so much if he helped pass medicare for all or something. He loves to be loved.

Just a thought experiment.

Monkeyboy wrote:Prediction: If the dems win the Senate and Presidency, they will not move to add justices to the court. Instead, they will go after Kavanaugh for lying under oath. Having him impeached would move the court to 5-4 GOP with a reasonable Roberts as the tiebreaker. They can sell the move as not stealing the court because it's still 5-4 and they are just getting back that justice spot stolen by McConnell. The base will go along because it gets the court back to some reasonable level and the GOP won't be able to complain too much given that Kavanaugh clearly lied under oath and they still have the majority. There is much less political cost to the move and it rights the injustice of a felon being on the court.

and mr. kavanaugh's replacement? MERRICK GARLAND

Pretty wild that Pence has been deemed 'essential personnel' so he can stay on the stump for Trump. Now only should he be in quarantine, he is being deployed to high and climbing virus states.

Except in the case of a President’s death it may be the only time in US history when the VP was considered essential.

Monkeyboy wrote:Prediction: If the dems win the Senate and Presidency, they will not move to add justices to the court. Instead, they will go after Kavanaugh for lying under oath. Having him impeached would move the court to 5-4 GOP with a reasonable Roberts as the tiebreaker. They can sell the move as not stealing the court because it's still 5-4 and they are just getting back that justice spot stolen by McConnell. The base will go along because it gets the court back to some reasonable level and the GOP won't be able to complain too much given that Kavanaugh clearly lied under oath and they still have the majority. There is much less political cost to the move and it rights the injustice of a felon being on the court.

There's no way they will get 2/3's of the Senate to vote for removal.

momadance wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:Prediction: If the dems win the Senate and Presidency, they will not move to add justices to the court. Instead, they will go after Kavanaugh for lying under oath. Having him impeached would move the court to 5-4 GOP with a reasonable Roberts as the tiebreaker. They can sell the move as not stealing the court because it's still 5-4 and they are just getting back that justice spot stolen by McConnell. The base will go along because it gets the court back to some reasonable level and the GOP won't be able to complain too much given that Kavanaugh clearly lied under oath and they still have the majority. There is much less political cost to the move and it rights the injustice of a felon being on the court.

There's no way they will get 2/3's of the Senate to vote for removal.

I don’t even think you’d get 100% of Dems.

Nope.

538 has Biden's chances of victory back up to his high water mark of 88%.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/20 ... -forecast/

Recognize that if it was Trump who had the 88% chance, none of us would think Biden had a chance at the upset victory. Our tails would already be tucked in anticipation of the ramming we would be receiving in eight days time.

06hawkalum wrote:538 has Biden's chances of victory back up to his high water mark of 88%.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/20 ... -forecast/

Recognize that if it was Trump who had the 88% chance, none of us would think Biden had a chance at the upset victory. Our tails would already be tucked in anticipation of the ramming we would be receiving in eight days time.

You're just saying that because you need to tell yourself it can't happen again. Whatever gets you through this next week is fine with me..

CFP wrote:

momadance wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:Prediction: If the dems win the Senate and Presidency, they will not move to add justices to the court. Instead, they will go after Kavanaugh for lying under oath. Having him impeached would move the court to 5-4 GOP with a reasonable Roberts as the tiebreaker. They can sell the move as not stealing the court because it's still 5-4 and they are just getting back that justice spot stolen by McConnell. The base will go along because it gets the court back to some reasonable level and the GOP won't be able to complain too much given that Kavanaugh clearly lied under oath and they still have the majority. There is much less political cost to the move and it rights the injustice of a felon being on the court.

There's no way they will get 2/3's of the Senate to vote for removal.

I don’t even think you’d get 100% of Dems.

I didn't realize they needed 2/3. Pack the courts then.

Monkeyboy wrote:

CFP wrote:

momadance wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:Prediction: If the dems win the Senate and Presidency, they will not move to add justices to the court. Instead, they will go after Kavanaugh for lying under oath. Having him impeached would move the court to 5-4 GOP with a reasonable Roberts as the tiebreaker. They can sell the move as not stealing the court because it's still 5-4 and they are just getting back that justice spot stolen by McConnell. The base will go along because it gets the court back to some reasonable level and the GOP won't be able to complain too much given that Kavanaugh clearly lied under oath and they still have the majority. There is much less political cost to the move and it rights the injustice of a felon being on the court.

There's no way they will get 2/3's of the Senate to vote for removal.

I don’t even think you’d get 100% of Dems.

I didn't realize they needed 2/3. Pack the courts then.

Same would go for your suggestion of Medicare for all. Trump would veto and 2/3rds wouldn't pass it.

stevemc wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:

CFP wrote:

momadance wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:Prediction: If the dems win the Senate and Presidency, they will not move to add justices to the court. Instead, they will go after Kavanaugh for lying under oath. Having him impeached would move the court to 5-4 GOP with a reasonable Roberts as the tiebreaker. They can sell the move as not stealing the court because it's still 5-4 and they are just getting back that justice spot stolen by McConnell. The base will go along because it gets the court back to some reasonable level and the GOP won't be able to complain too much given that Kavanaugh clearly lied under oath and they still have the majority. There is much less political cost to the move and it rights the injustice of a felon being on the court.

There's no way they will get 2/3's of the Senate to vote for removal.

I don’t even think you’d get 100% of Dems.

I didn't realize they needed 2/3. Pack the courts then.

Same would go for your suggestion of Medicare for all. Trump would veto and 2/3rds wouldn't pass it.

I was saying he might not veto. I think he would veto though. I was just pointing out possible scenarios. I'm just wondering what a Dem senate would do with Trump as Prez.

Monkeyboy wrote:

06hawkalum wrote:538 has Biden's chances of victory back up to his high water mark of 88%.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/20 ... -forecast/

Recognize that if it was Trump who had the 88% chance, none of us would think Biden had a chance at the upset victory. Our tails would already be tucked in anticipation of the ramming we would be receiving in eight days time.

You're just saying that because you need to tell yourself it can't happen again. Whatever gets you through this next week is fine with me..

No, I am saying it, because it is true. Look at how anxious we are about a Biden loss despite him being an 88% favorite to win. If his odds were 12% the teeth gnashing here would be epic.

I recognize there is a very outside (1 in 8) chance that Trump pulls this off, but it is ridiculous that some of us are acting as though this is the LIKELY outcome.

Monkeyboy wrote:

stevemc wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:

CFP wrote:

momadance wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:Prediction: If the dems win the Senate and Presidency, they will not move to add justices to the court. Instead, they will go after Kavanaugh for lying under oath. Having him impeached would move the court to 5-4 GOP with a reasonable Roberts as the tiebreaker. They can sell the move as not stealing the court because it's still 5-4 and they are just getting back that justice spot stolen by McConnell. The base will go along because it gets the court back to some reasonable level and the GOP won't be able to complain too much given that Kavanaugh clearly lied under oath and they still have the majority. There is much less political cost to the move and it rights the injustice of a felon being on the court.

There's no way they will get 2/3's of the Senate to vote for removal.

I don’t even think you’d get 100% of Dems.

I didn't realize they needed 2/3. Pack the courts then.

Same would go for your suggestion of Medicare for all. Trump would veto and 2/3rds wouldn't pass it.

I was saying he might not veto. I think he would veto though. I was just pointing out possible scenarios. I'm just wondering what a Dem senate would do with Trump as Prez.

They would ensure he did not fill a single judgeship over the next two years. That's about it. Then the GOP would turn this into the Dems being "pro-crime" or "anti-justice" in an attempt to regain the majority in 2022.

It's all academic, since if the Dems take the Senate it most assuredly means that Biden won the election.

06hawkalum wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:

stevemc wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:

CFP wrote:

momadance wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:Prediction: If the dems win the Senate and Presidency, they will not move to add justices to the court. Instead, they will go after Kavanaugh for lying under oath. Having him impeached would move the court to 5-4 GOP with a reasonable Roberts as the tiebreaker. They can sell the move as not stealing the court because it's still 5-4 and they are just getting back that justice spot stolen by McConnell. The base will go along because it gets the court back to some reasonable level and the GOP won't be able to complain too much given that Kavanaugh clearly lied under oath and they still have the majority. There is much less political cost to the move and it rights the injustice of a felon being on the court.

There's no way they will get 2/3's of the Senate to vote for removal.

I don’t even think you’d get 100% of Dems.

I didn't realize they needed 2/3. Pack the courts then.

Same would go for your suggestion of Medicare for all. Trump would veto and 2/3rds wouldn't pass it.

I was saying he might not veto. I think he would veto though. I was just pointing out possible scenarios. I'm just wondering what a Dem senate would do with Trump as Prez.

They would ensure he did not fill a single judgeship over the next two years. That's about it. Then the GOP would turn this into the Dems being "pro-crime" or "anti-justice" in an attempt to regain the majority in 2022.

It's all academic, since if the Dems take the Senate it most assuredly means that Biden won the election.

Yeah like when comparing the chances in one state versus another you have to figure the two are pretty correlated.

06hawkalum wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:

06hawkalum wrote:538 has Biden's chances of victory back up to his high water mark of 88%.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/20 ... -forecast/

Recognize that if it was Trump who had the 88% chance, none of us would think Biden had a chance at the upset victory. Our tails would already be tucked in anticipation of the ramming we would be receiving in eight days time.

You're just saying that because you need to tell yourself it can't happen again. Whatever gets you through this next week is fine with me..

No, I am saying it, because it is true. Look at how anxious we are about a Biden loss despite him being an 88% favorite to win. If his odds were 12% the teeth gnashing here would be epic.

I recognize there is a very outside (1 in 8) chance that Trump pulls this off, but it is ridiculous that some of us are acting as though this is the LIKELY outcome.

I feel good at 88% as well but I still feel like something underhanded happened in 2016 that looked like a nearly implausible win for Trump and it came to fruition. I won't believe it until Biden's inauguration day at this point.

stevemc wrote:

06hawkalum wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:

06hawkalum wrote:538 has Biden's chances of victory back up to his high water mark of 88%.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/20 ... -forecast/

Recognize that if it was Trump who had the 88% chance, none of us would think Biden had a chance at the upset victory. Our tails would already be tucked in anticipation of the ramming we would be receiving in eight days time.

You're just saying that because you need to tell yourself it can't happen again. Whatever gets you through this next week is fine with me..

No, I am saying it, because it is true. Look at how anxious we are about a Biden loss despite him being an 88% favorite to win. If his odds were 12% the teeth gnashing here would be epic.

I recognize there is a very outside (1 in 8) chance that Trump pulls this off, but it is ridiculous that some of us are acting as though this is the LIKELY outcome.

I feel good at 88% as well but I still feel like something underhanded happened in 2016 that looked like a nearly implausible win for Trump and it came to fruition. I won't believe it until Biden's inauguration day at this point.

True, I still question whether Clinton truly lost PA, WI, and MI. It has always seemed fishy.

She did unless you think the election was literally hacked which it was not.

Monkeyboy wrote:Prediction: If the dems win the Senate and Presidency, they will not move to add justices to the court. Instead, they will go after Kavanaugh for lying under oath. Having him impeached would move the court to 5-4 GOP with a reasonable Roberts as the tiebreaker. They can sell the move as not stealing the court because it's still 5-4 and they are just getting back that justice spot stolen by McConnell. The base will go along because it gets the court back to some reasonable level and the GOP won't be able to complain too much given that Kavanaugh clearly lied under oath and they still have the majority. There is much less political cost to the move and it rights the injustice of a felon being on the court.

is there any reason to think Dem leadership cares about the Supreme Court enough to spend political capital either packing it or impeaching a justice? Feinstein already tipped her hand here and the rest seem content to let Barrett through. Roe vs Wade being struck down and making abortion a state by state issue is a huge albatross off their neck. we know they don't care about civil liberties and will welcome an excuse from the courts to punt indefinitely on moving to a better healthcare system. I'm not sure a conservative court is a big deal to them