Covid-19 - Opening gates. Find higher ground.

Re: Covid-19 - Opening gates. Find higher ground.

Unread postby swishnicholson » Wed Apr 29, 2020 16:59:24

swishnicholson wrote:Good article in the New Yorker on how the early stages of the outbreak were dealt with in Washington and elsewhere

Haven't made it through the full thing yet, but they early stages are filed with the same forebodings of a good horror story.


Certainly not the main point, but an interesting paragraph:


The Epidemic Intelligence Service was founded in 1951, when American troops in Korea began experiencing fevers, aches, vomiting, and fatal hemorrhages. Some three thousand soldiers fell ill, leading military leaders to conclude that Chinese-backed Communists had weaponized bacteria. “The planning of appropriate defensive measures must not be delayed,” an epidemiologist at a new federal agency, the Communicable Disease Center, declared. He proposed a new division, named to evoke the Central Intelligence Agency. But when the first class of E.I.S. officers landed in Korea they found that the fevers were not caused by a crafty enemy. Soldiers, it turned out, had been accidentally consuming rodent feces. In later conflicts, generals were instructed to use thicker food-storage bags and to set more rat traps.
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Unread postby Uncle Milty » Wed Apr 29, 2020 19:31:37

covidtracking.com lists 2,700 deaths today - believe that's a new high for them. 27.5k new positives on 280k tests.
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Unread postby jerseyhoya » Wed Apr 29, 2020 23:52:42

California shutting down all beaches. Given what's known about transmission and outdoors being a lot better than indoors, feels like a reaction to negative press.

Hopefully they will let the UV rays give them a deep cleaning then open back up, because folks need shit to do and whatnot.

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Unread postby Monkeyboy » Thu Apr 30, 2020 00:29:32

Do we? I think we've gotten pretty soft.
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Re: Covid-19 - Opening gates. Find higher ground.

Unread postby lethal » Thu Apr 30, 2020 01:02:41

CalvinBall wrote:
mickbayne wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:Wild story tracing how basically that CHOP doctor led to tons of infections across the Southeast part of the state

https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronav ... 3Dsharebar

I was hoping this would end up getting reported. My uncle had to self-quarantine because he had direct contact with McCreary at Arbour Square after the bomb threat. Thankfully he wasn't infected.


Cousins former husband works at George Hill and he got it.


Don't know if the name of the doctor is a secret, but the article gives you enough clues to easily figure out who it is. You only need 2.

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Re: Covid-19 - Opening gates. Find higher ground.

Unread postby Phred » Thu Apr 30, 2020 08:00:46

swishnicholson wrote:
swishnicholson wrote:Good article in the New Yorker on how the early stages of the outbreak were dealt with in Washington and elsewhere

Haven't made it through the full thing yet, but they early stages are filed with the same forebodings of a good horror story.


Certainly not the main point, but an interesting paragraph:


The Epidemic Intelligence Service was founded in 1951, when American troops in Korea began experiencing fevers, aches, vomiting, and fatal hemorrhages. Some three thousand soldiers fell ill, leading military leaders to conclude that Chinese-backed Communists had weaponized bacteria. “The planning of appropriate defensive measures must not be delayed,” an epidemiologist at a new federal agency, the Communicable Disease Center, declared. He proposed a new division, named to evoke the Central Intelligence Agency. But when the first class of E.I.S. officers landed in Korea they found that the fevers were not caused by a crafty enemy. Soldiers, it turned out, had been accidentally consuming rodent feces. In later conflicts, generals were instructed to use thicker food-storage bags and to set more rat traps.


Definitely missed this episode of MASH.
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Re: Covid-19 - Opening gates. Find higher ground.

Unread postby Bucky » Thu Apr 30, 2020 08:18:53

it was a good one. Radar traded 4 boxes of potatoes, a case of bedsheets, and an 800W generator for a gross of toilet paper, 12 boxes of N95 masks, AND a newly developed vaccine and there were no longer any sick people by the bottom of the hour.

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Unread postby Quagland » Thu Apr 30, 2020 09:41:06

Bucky wrote:it was a good one. Radar traded 4 boxes of potatoes, a case of bedsheets, and an 800W generator for a gross of toilet paper, 12 boxes of N95 masks, AND a newly developed vaccine and there were no longer any sick people by the bottom of the hour.


They tested the vaccine on Colonel Potter's horse.

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Unread postby azrider » Thu Apr 30, 2020 13:14:57

things are going to have to open up soon. so once again....

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going to be an inconvenience yeah... but also a way of life until we figure this out. people need to get their craft beer, make their bagels and be able to go to work where they have a nice chair that won't give them a sore ass.

even doing this, still not the answer and doesn't open up for sporting events, concerts, casinos, buffets...

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Unread postby pacino » Thu Apr 30, 2020 13:18:31

Berks State Rep Jim Cox put up a poll on Facebook asking if we should mandate masks or not

he's deciding via FB
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Unread postby Slowhand » Thu Apr 30, 2020 13:22:47

pacino wrote:Berks State Rep Jim Cox put up a poll on Facebook asking if we should mandate masks or not


SHARIA LAW IS HAPPENING!!!!
How dare you interrupt my Lime Rickey!

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Re: Covid-19 - Opening gates. Find higher ground.

Unread postby pacino » Thu Apr 30, 2020 13:34:16

this is the same guy that platformed the protests on his official Facebook page
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Unread postby Quagland » Thu Apr 30, 2020 13:39:28

pacino wrote:this is the same guy that platformed the protests on his official Facebook page


I just checked out his Facebook page out of morbid curiosity. This guy is going to get us all killed.

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Re: Covid-19 - Opening gates. Find higher ground.

Unread postby azrider » Thu Apr 30, 2020 13:40:43

even though i support wearing facemasks, i really don't want to see it become law. if we had someone who actually took some time to take some leadership classes leading this country, this wouldn't be an issue. instead we have some pompous assclown and some smug prick who won't lead by example. even after some grave mistakes and underestimations, they could've turned it around for the nation and honestly, for themselves and re-election chances. instead they failed ever so miserably. i'm really hard pressed at the moment to see a comparison for such a catastrophic failure with the us presidency. ugggghhhhh....

and while i lean left, definitely not an anti capitalist, borderline communist, ultra partisan kinda guy. just want the country to work, don't care if it's a damn r or d on the jersey.

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Unread postby ReadingPhilly » Thu Apr 30, 2020 13:55:42

pacino wrote:Berks State Rep Jim Cox put up a poll on Facebook asking if we should mandate masks or not

he's deciding via FB


Seems like McDonough is putting up a good opposition. Here’s hoping.

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Re: Covid-19 - Opening gates. Find higher ground.

Unread postby Uncle Milty » Thu Apr 30, 2020 13:56:56

azrider wrote:even though i support wearing facemasks, i really don't want to see it become law. if we had someone who actually took some time to take some leadership classes leading this country, this wouldn't be an issue. instead we have some pompous assclown and some smug prick who won't lead by example. even after some grave mistakes and underestimations, they could've turned it around for the nation and honestly, for themselves and re-election chances. instead they failed ever so miserably. i'm really hard pressed at the moment to see a comparison for such a catastrophic failure with the us presidency. ugggghhhhh....

and while i lean left, definitely not an anti capitalist, borderline communist, ultra partisan kinda guy. just want the country to work, don't care if it's a damn r or d on the jersey.

If we can force people to utilize seatbelts we can make them wear masks. Except in rare ejection incidents you can't harm anyone else (except the insurance companies) by not wearing a seatbelt.
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Re: Covid-19 - Opening gates. Find higher ground.

Unread postby azrider » Thu Apr 30, 2020 14:07:26

Uncle Milty wrote:
azrider wrote:even though i support wearing facemasks, i really don't want to see it become law. if we had someone who actually took some time to take some leadership classes leading this country, this wouldn't be an issue. instead we have some pompous assclown and some smug prick who won't lead by example. even after some grave mistakes and underestimations, they could've turned it around for the nation and honestly, for themselves and re-election chances. instead they failed ever so miserably. i'm really hard pressed at the moment to see a comparison for such a catastrophic failure with the us presidency. ugggghhhhh....

and while i lean left, definitely not an anti capitalist, borderline communist, ultra partisan kinda guy. just want the country to work, don't care if it's a damn r or d on the jersey.

If we can force people to utilize seatbelts we can make them wear masks. Except in rare ejection incidents you can't harm anyone else (except the insurance companies) by not wearing a seatbelt.


a very good point. i look at government like parents. you really don't want them involved BUT if you can't play well together, someone keeps getting hurt, big brother keeps beating up on little johnny THEY ARE NEEDED and usually whatever decision the parents make usually doesn't make any of the kids happy, but it does keep them safe and keep the peace.

once this is over, we do have to address the issue of these lock-downs and the legality behind them. don't want to see these become something like all our military actions without congressional approval and declaring war.

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Unread postby Uncle Milty » Thu Apr 30, 2020 14:14:17

Help me understand what questions of legality you might have about the lockdowns.
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Re: Covid-19 - Opening gates. Find higher ground.

Unread postby azrider » Thu Apr 30, 2020 14:33:04

Uncle Milty wrote:Help me understand what questions of legality you might have about the lockdowns.


the legality is kinda vague. some of this has needed to be done, but there has to be some guidelines going forward when and how long do you do this for and who is responsible for making the call. i just don't want this to become a habit as with our military actions or worse a political tool. suppose there is a 2nd wave of the virus that comes, let's say early november, someone might just think it might be a good time to shut things down... for public safety of course.

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Unread postby Werthless » Thu Apr 30, 2020 15:29:59

To this layperson, lockdowns seem more problematic than the requirement of face coverings in public places.

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