Covid-19 - Opening gates. Find higher ground.

by **Monkeyboy** » Mon Apr 27, 2020 22:06:16

Happy days are here again?

by **Uncle Milty** » Mon Apr 27, 2020 22:10:26

swishnicholson wrote:New cases today in the US are the lowest since march 30.

Who's count are you using?

by **thephan** » Mon Apr 27, 2020 22:14:02

We'll see what the south has to say about that

by **Monkeyboy** » Mon Apr 27, 2020 22:20:54

Uncle Milty wrote:
swishnicholson wrote:New cases today in the US are the lowest since march 30.

Who's count are you using?

Probably this one. It would explain why it's low... he takes forever to count.

by **swishnicholson** » Mon Apr 27, 2020 22:28:06

Uncle Milty wrote:
swishnicholson wrote:New cases today in the US are the lowest since march 30.

Who's count are you using?

Worldometer

Only as good as the data supplied, of course, but it generally agrees with JHU count and others, with minor variations (but I find it updates more rapidly). Switches days according to GMT, so you'll see some differences due to that.

by **thephan** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 07:28:30

IRS tells ‘initial wave’ of 10K employees to return to office Monday, bring own PPE

Sometimes I forget things and our local news cycle is not intact necessarily recognized or reported nationally.

by **thephan** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 07:36:56

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/28/euro ... index.html

Sweden compared to its neighbors are Not doing great. It probably be worse if people live there with any real density. Stockholm is no New York City, their numbers are really pretty crazy as they try for herd Immunity. I guess if you’re in industrial farmer the herd is there for slaughter so maybe that’s where I misunderstand plan.

by **Bucky** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 07:47:14

Uncle Milty wrote:
swishnicholson wrote:New cases today in the US are the lowest since march 30.

Who's count are you using?

no

by **Woody** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:56:46

thephan wrote:https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/28/europe/sweden-coronavirus-lockdown-strategy-intl/index.html

Sweden compared to its neighbors are Not doing great. It probably be worse if people live there with any real density. Stockholm is no New York City, their numbers are really pretty crazy as they try for herd Immunity. I guess if you’re in industrial farmer the herd is there for slaughter so maybe that’s where I misunderstand plan.

Are we sure if herd immunity is even a thing at this point? Seems to be lots of stories about “recovered” people getting reinfected.

by **JUburton** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 11:10:27

Woody wrote:
thephan wrote:https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/28/europe/sweden-coronavirus-lockdown-strategy-intl/index.html

Sweden compared to its neighbors are Not doing great. It probably be worse if people live there with any real density. Stockholm is no New York City, their numbers are really pretty crazy as they try for herd Immunity. I guess if you’re in industrial farmer the herd is there for slaughter so maybe that’s where I misunderstand plan.

Are we sure if herd immunity is even a thing at this point? Seems to be lots of stories about “recovered” people getting reinfected.

I don't think these have borne out. Likely bad testing or viral persistence.

Early evidence points to at least temporary protection against reinfection. Since the first cases were described in China in December, there has been no cut-and-dried case of someone being infected twice. While some people, including in South Korea, have tested positive a second time, that could be due to testing errors or persistence of the virus in their bodies.
...
What's unknown is how long immunity lasts.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/0 ... -covid-19/

by **Napalm** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 11:10:34

Woody wrote:
thephan wrote:https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/28/europe/sweden-coronavirus-lockdown-strategy-intl/index.html

Sweden compared to its neighbors are Not doing great. It probably be worse if people live there with any real density. Stockholm is no New York City, their numbers are really pretty crazy as they try for herd Immunity. I guess if you’re in industrial farmer the herd is there for slaughter so maybe that’s where I misunderstand plan.

Are we sure if herd immunity is even a thing at this point? Seems to be lots of stories about “recovered” people getting reinfected.

True, but not prominent or lots.
Testing accuracy is in question too.

by **Rockinghorse** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 11:47:39

And the South Korean re-infections were almost all very mild if any symptoms at all. But the herd immunity question is far from resolved, since it sounds like people have wildly varying amounts of antibodies and we don't know how long they remain effective.

by **JFLNYC** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 11:48:55

Rockinghorse wrote:And the South Korean re-infections were almost all very mild if any symptoms at all. But the herd immunity question is far from resolved, since it sounds like people have wildly varying amounts of antibodies and we don't know how long they remain effective.

This.

by **heyeaglefn** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 11:53:13

Woody wrote:
thephan wrote:https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/28/europe/sweden-coronavirus-lockdown-strategy-intl/index.html

Sweden compared to its neighbors are Not doing great. It probably be worse if people live there with any real density. Stockholm is no New York City, their numbers are really pretty crazy as they try for herd Immunity. I guess if you’re in industrial farmer the herd is there for slaughter so maybe that’s where I misunderstand plan.

Are we sure if herd immunity is even a thing at this point? Seems to be lots of stories about “recovered” people getting reinfected.

We've had thousands of coronaviruses before and every time we've had immunity, so if this one is different then we are screwed. More likely testing has failed.

by **CalvinBall** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 11:55:45

1200 cases and about 120 deaths. Sigh.

by **Stay_Disappointed** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 11:57:56

heyeaglefn wrote:
Woody wrote:
thephan wrote:https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/28/europe/sweden-coronavirus-lockdown-strategy-intl/index.html

Sweden compared to its neighbors are Not doing great. It probably be worse if people live there with any real density. Stockholm is no New York City, their numbers are really pretty crazy as they try for herd Immunity. I guess if you’re in industrial farmer the herd is there for slaughter so maybe that’s where I misunderstand plan.

Are we sure if herd immunity is even a thing at this point? Seems to be lots of stories about “recovered” people getting reinfected.

We've had thousands of coronaviruses before and every time we've had immunity, so if this one is different then we are screwed. More likely testing has failed.

agreed

He said that he believed that stricter lockdowns "only serve to flatten the curve and flattening the curve doesn't mean that cases disappear -- they are just moved in time."
"And as long as the healthcare system reasonably can cope with and give good care to the ones that need care, it's not clear that having the cases later in time is better."

I also agree with this

by **Werthless** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:00:56

And if all the infections happened at once, then good care couldn't be provided.

Around and around we go.

by **JUburton** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:03:51

heyeaglefn wrote:
Woody wrote:
thephan wrote:https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/28/europe/sweden-coronavirus-lockdown-strategy-intl/index.html

Sweden compared to its neighbors are Not doing great. It probably be worse if people live there with any real density. Stockholm is no New York City, their numbers are really pretty crazy as they try for herd Immunity. I guess if you’re in industrial farmer the herd is there for slaughter so maybe that’s where I misunderstand plan.

Are we sure if herd immunity is even a thing at this point? Seems to be lots of stories about “recovered” people getting reinfected.

We've had thousands of coronaviruses before and every time we've had immunity, so if this one is different then we are screwed. More likely testing has failed.

This isn't true, I think. Coronaviruses in general can re-infect, even in the same season...just not everyone. Immunity is developed but we don't know the strength/duration really.

by **heyeaglefn** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:12:20

JUburton wrote:
heyeaglefn wrote:
Woody wrote:
thephan wrote:https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/28/europe/sweden-coronavirus-lockdown-strategy-intl/index.html

Sweden compared to its neighbors are Not doing great. It probably be worse if people live there with any real density. Stockholm is no New York City, their numbers are really pretty crazy as they try for herd Immunity. I guess if you’re in industrial farmer the herd is there for slaughter so maybe that’s where I misunderstand plan.

Are we sure if herd immunity is even a thing at this point? Seems to be lots of stories about “recovered” people getting reinfected.

We've had thousands of coronaviruses before and every time we've had immunity, so if this one is different then we are screwed. More likely testing has failed.
This isn't true, I think. Coronaviruses in general can re-infect, even in the same season...just not everyone. Immunity is developed but we don't know the strength/duration really.

It is true, but like you said we don't know how long immunity lasts. It could be as short as a few months, or as long as forever or more likely a couple of years.

Heres an article that says they haven't tested on humans but Monkeys did not get it twice. https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52446965

by **The B1G Piece** » Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:14:13

Werthless wrote:And if all the infections happened at once, then good care couldn't be provided.

Around and around we go.

It is amazing we're over six weeks into lockdown, have over 1 million cases and approaching 60,000 deaths and there are people still MMQBing the lockdown.

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