Bucky wrote:surpassed 200K worldwide

phorever wrote:

Bucky wrote:surpassed 200K worldwide

probably well over 300K,
judging by reports on nursing home deaths both from countries that are including these in their official totals (belgium, france, ireland), and those publishing them separately (uk, netherlands). 1/3 to 1/2 of all deaths from covid-19 are in nursing homes, and most of these aren't in the jhu or worldometer tallies.

DR. Deborah Birx, the coordinator of Donald Trump's COVID-19 response, complained about media coverage while appearing on Fox News on Saturday night.

"Do you believe the media in this country have been fair during this pandemic?" Fox News personality Jesse Watters asked.

"I think the media is very slicey and dicey with the way they put together sentences in order to create headlines," she said.

"I think the responsibility that the press has to really ensure that the headlines reflect the science and data that is in their piece itself," she argued.

“It bothers me that this is still in the news cycle,” Dr. Deborah Birx says about Pres. Trump’s disinfectant remarks. “I worry that we don’t get the information to the American people that they need when we continue to bring up something that was from Thursday night" #CNNSOTU

On CNN “Because I think we're missing the bigger pieces of what we need to be doing as an American people to continue to protect one another,” Birx said.

jerseyhoya wrote:

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           11-Apr  18-Apr    New   % Change   Cases/1k   11-Apr   18-Apr   New   % Change
Statewide   58151   81420   23269     40%       9.2       2183     4070   1887     86%
Bergen       9362   12163    2801     30%      13.1        435      741    306     70%
Hudson       6851    9956    3105     45%      14.9        183      434    251    137%
Essex        7007    9901    2894     41%      12.5        412      732    320     78%
Union        5865    8959    3094     53%      16.2        195      356    161     83%
Passaic      5295    7936    2641     50%      15.7        119      243    124    104%
Middlesex    5406    7624    2218     41%       9.2        177      313    136     77%
Ocean        3403    4548    1145     34%       7.7        132      212     80     61%
Monmouth     3651    4528     877     24%       7.3        115      221    106     92%
Morris       2925    3984    1059     36%       8.1        152      255    103     68%
Somerset     1642    2283     641     39%       6.9         78      146     68     87%
Mercer       1434    2215     781     54%       6.0         49      110     61    124%
Camden       1180    1918     738     63%       3.8         29       73     44    152%
Burlington   1031    1456     425     41%       3.3         22       57     35    159%
Gloucester    487     683     196     40%       2.3          9       23     14    156%
Sussex        456     626     170     37%       4.4         27       55     28    104%
Warren        362     543     181     50%       5.1         18       39     21    117%
Hunterdon     301     391      90     30%       3.1         11       17      6     55%
Atlantic      230     382     152     66%       1.4          7       19     12    171%
Cumberland    154     272     118     77%       1.8          3        4      1     33%
Cape May      129     199      70     54%       2.1          5       14      9    180%
Salem          56     105      49     88%       1.7          3        4      1     33%
                           
Deaths       2183    4070    1887     86%       0.5            
Negatives   62042   81116   19074     31%       9.1      

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           18-Apr   25-Apr    New   % Change   Cases/1k   18-Apr   25-Apr   New   % Change
Statewide   81420   105523   24103     30%      11.9       4070     5863   1793     44%
Bergen      12163    14738    2575     21%      15.8        741      954    213     29%
Hudson       9956    13367    3411     34%      20.0        434      655    221     51%
Essex        9901    12520    2619     26%      15.8        732     1019    287     39%
Union        8959    11523    2564     29%      20.8        356      563    207     58%
Passaic      7936    10738    2802     35%      21.3        243      416    173     71%
Middlesex    7624    10075    2451     32%      12.2        313      431    118     38%
Ocean        4548     5811    1263     28%       9.8        212      317    105     50%
Monmouth     4528     5521     993     22%       8.9        221      287     66     30%
Morris       3984     4821     837     21%       9.8        255      347     92     36%
Mercer       2215     3245    1030     47%       8.8        110      183     73     66%
Somerset     2283     3030     747     33%       9.2        146      219     73     50%
Camden       1918     2870     952     50%       5.7         73      118     45     62%
Burlington   1456     2153     697     48%       4.8         57       88     31     54%
Gloucester    683      949     266     39%       3.3         23       30      7     30%
Sussex        626      812     186     30%       5.7         55       91     36     65%
Warren        543      750     207     38%       7.1         39       63     24     62%
Atlantic      382      596     214     56%       2.2         19       29     10     53%
Hunterdon     391      505     114     29%       4.0         17       23      6     35%
Cumberland    272      504     232     85%       3.3          4        6      2     50%
Cape May      199      261      62     31%       2.8         14       18      4     29%
Salem         105      177      72     69%       2.8          4        6      2     50%
                           
Deaths       4070     5863    1793     44%       0.7            
Negatives   81116   108163   27047     33%      12.2   

thephan wrote:

DR. Deborah Birx, the coordinator of Donald Trump's COVID-19 response, complained about media coverage while appearing on Fox News on Saturday night.

"Do you believe the media in this country have been fair during this pandemic?" Fox News personality Jesse Watters asked.

"I think the media is very slicey and dicey with the way they put together sentences in order to create headlines," she said.

"I think the responsibility that the press has to really ensure that the headlines reflect the science and data that is in their piece itself," she argued.

AKA don’t listen to Trump, and don’t report what he says.

Saw she made the rings today, and she is sorry of pissed.

“It bothers me that this is still in the news cycle,” Dr. Deborah Birx says about Pres. Trump’s disinfectant remarks. “I worry that we don’t get the information to the American people that they need when we continue to bring up something that was from Thursday night" #CNNSOTU

On CNN “Because I think we're missing the bigger pieces of what we need to be doing as an American people to continue to protect one another,” Birx said.

So she is now part of the spin cycle.

Tapper fired back that he did not think the media is the blame for misinformation and the need to counter bogus claims strenuously.

Uncle Milty wrote:Pangolins are innocent! And really awesome critters.

Pangolins are illegally hunted and traded for two main reasons. First, their meat is considered a delicacy in several south-east Asian countries, especially China and Vietnam. And second, their scales are used in Chinese traditional medicine. As a result, they are the world’s most trafficked mammals...

...the Chinese government was already lurching into action. On 24 February, China announced an immediate ban on trading and eating many wild animals, including pangolins. Officials began shutting down wild animal markets across the country.

RESULTS:
Individuals with age <65 account for 5%-9% of all COVID-19 deaths in the 8 European epicenters, and approach 30% in three US hotbed locations. People <65 years old had 34- to 73-fold lower risk than those ≥65 years old in the European countries and 13- to 15-fold lower risk in New York City, Louisiana and Michigan. The absolute risk of COVID-19 death ranged from 1.7 per million for people <65 years old in Germany to 79 per million in New York City. The absolute risk of COVID-19 death for people ≥80 years old ranged from approximately 1 in 6,000 in Germany to 1 in 420 in Spain. The COVID-19 death risk in people <65 years old during the period of fatalities from the epidemic was equivalent to the death risk from driving between 9 miles per day (Germany) and 415 miles per day (New York City). People <65 years old and not having any underlying predisposing conditions accounted for only 0.3%, 0.7%, and 1.8% of all COVID-19 deaths in Netherlands, Italy, and New York City.
CONCLUSIONS:
People <65 years old have very small risks of COVID-19 death even in the hotbeds of the pandemic and deaths for people <65 years without underlying predisposing conditions are remarkably uncommon. Strategies focusing specifically on protecting high-risk elderly individuals should be considered in managing the pandemic.

Warszawa wrote:

Never gets old

swishnicholson wrote:

Uncle Milty wrote:Pangolins are innocent! And really awesome critters.

You're actually better off promoting the theory if you're a fan of pangolins

Pangolins are illegally hunted and traded for two main reasons. First, their meat is considered a delicacy in several south-east Asian countries, especially China and Vietnam. And second, their scales are used in Chinese traditional medicine. As a result, they are the world’s most trafficked mammals...

...the Chinese government was already lurching into action. On 24 February, China announced an immediate ban on trading and eating many wild animals, including pangolins. Officials began shutting down wild animal markets across the country.

Warszawa wrote:https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.05.20054361v1.full.pdf

RESULTS:
Individuals with age <65 account for 5%-9% of all COVID-19 deaths in the 8 European epicenters, and approach 30% in three US hotbed locations. People <65 years old had 34- to 73-fold lower risk than those ≥65 years old in the European countries and 13- to 15-fold lower risk in New York City, Louisiana and Michigan. The absolute risk of COVID-19 death ranged from 1.7 per million for people <65 years old in Germany to 79 per million in New York City. The absolute risk of COVID-19 death for people ≥80 years old ranged from approximately 1 in 6,000 in Germany to 1 in 420 in Spain. The COVID-19 death risk in people <65 years old during the period of fatalities from the epidemic was equivalent to the death risk from driving between 9 miles per day (Germany) and 415 miles per day (New York City). People <65 years old and not having any underlying predisposing conditions accounted for only 0.3%, 0.7%, and 1.8% of all COVID-19 deaths in Netherlands, Italy, and New York City.
CONCLUSIONS:
People <65 years old have very small risks of COVID-19 death even in the hotbeds of the pandemic and deaths for people <65 years without underlying predisposing conditions are remarkably uncommon. Strategies focusing specifically on protecting high-risk elderly individuals should be considered in managing the pandemic.

79 per million seems like an awfully low number

swishnicholson wrote:

Warszawa wrote:https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.05.20054361v1.full.pdf

RESULTS:
Individuals with age <65 account for 5%-9% of all COVID-19 deaths in the 8 European epicenters, and approach 30% in three US hotbed locations. People <65 years old had 34- to 73-fold lower risk than those ≥65 years old in the European countries and 13- to 15-fold lower risk in New York City, Louisiana and Michigan. The absolute risk of COVID-19 death ranged from 1.7 per million for people <65 years old in Germany to 79 per million in New York City. The absolute risk of COVID-19 death for people ≥80 years old ranged from approximately 1 in 6,000 in Germany to 1 in 420 in Spain. The COVID-19 death risk in people <65 years old during the period of fatalities from the epidemic was equivalent to the death risk from driving between 9 miles per day (Germany) and 415 miles per day (New York City). People <65 years old and not having any underlying predisposing conditions accounted for only 0.3%, 0.7%, and 1.8% of all COVID-19 deaths in Netherlands, Italy, and New York City.
CONCLUSIONS:
People <65 years old have very small risks of COVID-19 death even in the hotbeds of the pandemic and deaths for people <65 years without underlying predisposing conditions are remarkably uncommon. Strategies focusing specifically on protecting high-risk elderly individuals should be considered in managing the pandemic.

79 per million seems like an awfully low number

As in "suspiciously low" or in "that's not all that many, is it?"

Anyway, here's what I found to be a nicely balanced examination of Ioannidis' (who was l also involved in the earlier Stanford study you cited) work. Neither dismisses it nor accepts it wholly, but cites some of the criticisms and the problems in making public policy based on incomplete data.