Have you seen the summary of her bill?

Current things listed in Pelosi’s bill. All of which matter with surviving our current crisis:

1- same day voter registration (long wanted dem item)
2- risk limiting audits of elections
3- early voting
4- collective bargaining for union workers (so critical to this situation)
5- carbon offsetting requirements for airlines
6- community newspaper funding
7- corporate budgets for diversity and inclusion

Get. A. Fucking. Deal. Done.

uhm, those all seem pretty vital to recovering from what's happening

you're making me defend pelosi

I guess they are worse than the GOP trying to set it up so the big boys can buy back all their stock.

The Savior wrote:Current things listed in Pelosi’s bill. All of which matter with surviving our current crisis:

1- same day voter registration (long wanted dem item)
2- risk limiting audits of elections
3- early voting
4- collective bargaining for union workers (so critical to this situation)
5- carbon offsetting requirements for airlines
6- community newspaper funding
7- corporate budgets for diversity and inclusion

Get. A. Fucking. Deal. Done.

I would say 1 through 3 are very relevant since we're probably going to have a bureaucracy problem for some time to come.

The other four I think are more along the lines of "hey, if we're going to give all of these business a gigantic bailout because none of them bothered to keep any cash on hand whatsoever, they need to do at least a couple things to justify the investment."

I realize that we need immediate relief, but it's odd to me that people are so willing to give a massive bailout to corporate giants with no strings attached whatsoever. It's the carrot without the stick.

The guy doesn't think a person worth 3.8b should take a pay cut. He's a more gentle Brantt

momadance wrote:Lol why is Barr there?

Trump is going to sue Coronavirus.

I have no problem with "Pelosi's Bill" since that's how it always works.

I think the smarter move was a narrow bill focused only on getting money in people's hands. Guaranteed income replacement for displaced workers and a smaller stimulus check.

After that they could argue over everything else.

jamiethekiller wrote:The guy doesn't think a person worth 3.8b should take a pay cut. He's a more gentle Brantt

Savior and I have not always gotten along well, but he pretty clearly hates the president, so it's pretty unfair to compare him to Brantt. He's making complaints about the House Democrats' play that are going to resonate with middle of the road people who realize the urgency of the situation.

House Dems went home for a week, and now they're coming back scuttling a deal and want to include money for the NEA and union rights and corporate diversity stuff in their bill. Like, no fucking shit they're picking some stupid hills to die on. And every day that passes while they insist on this shit, unrelated to the current crisis, small businesses are going under nationwide.

Almost like the zeitgeist on this board was shocked when the actual Democratic electorate overwhelmingly reacted to prevent Bernie from getting the nomination, much to left Twitter's chagrin. And if those are Democrats, what do the Indies and Republicans want? Finger on the pulse.

Calvin's response was perfect: 'wait what' - like what world do you live in and who are you following that you haven't seen people complaining about this? And Calvin is far from the most insular left leaning poster here.

Seems like the Senate might be on the brink of a deal. Let's fucking hope so.

Yes, Nancy Pelosi the leader of the far left. Savior does not have his finger on the pulse of the Democrat electorate as he is much more aligned with your political views, JH, than you give him credit for.

Worker power is incredibly important in this moment. Period.

6&7 seem kind of weird in the context of a stimulus bill.

newspapers are largely an outdated business concept and community newspapers in particular depend on having backing/ads from local business, a large chunk of which is trying to survive by laying off everyone and relying on doordash.

corporate D&I is and has always been a shame, money isn't going to change that. it's like saying "if only we had more HR staff, they'd stop defending management in every complaint".

the solution to society's problems is never a more complicated piece of funding legislation.

The fiscal response to this situation will be crucially important and will have ripple effects for years if not decades in the US real economy and the everyday lives of many Americans. I’m OK with the Dems making sure that these assholes in administration don’t railroad us under huge pressure from Trump for a self serving stock market bump. Especially after bullshit Fed end around of Congress today unilaterally implementing the Primary Market Corporate Credit Facility (coincidentally right before market open after reports of Senate deadlock on stimulus!)

Mohamed El-Erian (macro economist and former PIMCO exec) had a good breakdown (I thought) of the gravity of this moment: Balance-Sheet Stress Worsens Bailout Dilemma https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... ut-dilemma

CalvinBall wrote:Yes, Nancy Pelosi the leader of the far left. Savior does not have his finger on the pulse of the Democrat electorate as he is much more aligned with your political views, JH, than you give him credit for.

The pulse of the left and right electorate is about to flatline.

Uncle Milty wrote:I have no problem with "Pelosi's Bill" since that's how it always works.

I think the smarter move was a narrow bill focused only on getting money in people's hands. Guaranteed income replacement for displaced workers and a smaller stimulus check.

After that they could argue over everything else.

Pelosi's approach is smart. Stack it with a Progressive Wish List; those are bargaining chips to use to carve out a bailout plan that puts more money into the hands of oridnary citizens and less into a Mnuchin slush fund to bail out Trump and Trump cronies.

Dems have ALL the leverage here. There is no urgent need for a bailout package; let the GOP stew and fret and make them come to your terms.

TomatoPie wrote:

Uncle Milty wrote:I have no problem with "Pelosi's Bill" since that's how it always works.

I think the smarter move was a narrow bill focused only on getting money in people's hands. Guaranteed income replacement for displaced workers and a smaller stimulus check.

After that they could argue over everything else.

Pelosi's approach is smart. Stack it with a Progressive Wish List; those are bargaining chips to use to carve out a bailout plan that puts more money into the hands of oridnary citizens and less into a Mnuchin slush fund to bail out Trump and Trump cronies.

Dems have ALL the leverage here. There is no urgent need for a bailout package; let the GOP stew and fret and make them come to your terms.

“So my democratic reps are holding up my ability to pay for food and shelter over voting items that mean nothing to my ability to survive?”

Leverage? Dem states hit WAY HARDER than Republican states. So if by leverage you mean forcing people back out of their homes only leading to more infections and deaths then yeah, fine. Leverage.

Now isn’t the time for this shit. Plain and simple.

Oh and everyday wasted on inaction is no different than the inaction of Fed government that started this.

Both will result in people dying that didn’t need to die.

you're talking like these are bad things though? none of these should be items should be show stoppers.
who really doesn't want same day registration other than people who like voter suppression?
everybody would be better off with early voting.
really, against collective bargaining?
etc.

the meat and potatoes of the bill is 100% wage compensation for all workers. seems pretty good to me!


seems more like a weird hill for republicans to die on.

I’m not arguing the utility of those things. I’m supportive of it all.

But right now, it’s wasting time, it’s wasting resources.

Imagine if the republicans put a clause in there reversing GHG standards? Purging voter rolls?

TomatoPie wrote:There is no urgent need for a bailout package

Interesting