From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby ReadingPhilly » Mon Jun 25, 2018 15:03:42

Bucky wrote:yeah but the frustrating part is they don't recognize the difference between this and baking a cake for a gay wedding

nuance, what is it good for


of course they don't. it's laughable.

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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby momadance » Mon Jun 25, 2018 15:50:13

Trump registered trumphotels.com but never thought to register trumphotels.org ...

http://www.trumphotels.org/

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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby swishnicholson » Mon Jun 25, 2018 16:02:28

momadance wrote:Trump registered trumphotels.com but never thought to register trumphotels.org ...

http://www.trumphotels.org/


Was it always an error message?
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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby JFLNYC » Mon Jun 25, 2018 16:06:32

swishnicholson wrote:
momadance wrote:Trump registered trumphotels.com but never thought to register trumphotels.org ...

http://www.trumphotels.org/


Was it always an error message?


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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby momadance » Mon Jun 25, 2018 18:40:46

swishnicholson wrote:
momadance wrote:Trump registered trumphotels.com but never thought to register trumphotels.org ...

http://www.trumphotels.org/


Was it always an error message?


Nope ... Looks like it's getting hit with a DDoS attack.

https://gizmodo.com/trumphotels-org-pur ... 1827098727

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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby thephan » Mon Jun 25, 2018 22:06:59

VA Republican Senate nominee Corey Stewart said that he doesn’t believe that the Civil War was fought over the issue of slavery, arguing that it was mostly about states’ rights on a Monday interview with Hill.TV’s “Rising”.

He said he doesn’t associate slavery with the war, “I don’t at all. When pressed about the Civil War being fought “significantly” over slavery, Stewart said some of them talked about slavery, but added that most soldiers never owned slaves and “they didn’t fight to preserve the institution of slavery”, it was about "the federal intrusion of the state”.

I guess Corey isn't on the 'Lincoln was a Republican' train, since it was Lincoln overreaching to stop slavery.
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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby Werthless » Mon Jun 25, 2018 22:19:34

Pretty common opinion on the right (to argue that soldiers at the time weren't fighting to keep slavery per se). But the states rights question was about slavery. Pretty obtuse to argue that slavery was separate from the Civil War. What said, much of the modern GOP probably do not understand the difference between states' rights and federalism, and what side of the issue aligns with their "principles."

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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby Houshphandzadeh » Mon Jun 25, 2018 22:23:30

like it's ever mattered what the soldiers cared about

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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby JFLNYC » Tue Jun 26, 2018 05:47:16

Houshphandzadeh wrote:like it's ever mattered what the soldiers cared about


This.
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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby slugsrbad » Tue Jun 26, 2018 08:00:17

Trump going after Harley-Davidson is both hilarious and predictable.
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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby traderdave » Tue Jun 26, 2018 08:15:38

Saw this clip on Morning Joe this AM:

Abdullah thanked Trump for his support, adding: "If the rest of the world just took a little bit of your humility and your grace, we'd be in a lot better position." Trump responded by saying, "remember he uses the word humility with respect to me. That's probably the nicest compliment I've been given in a long time."

Are you fucking kidding me? "Humility" and "Grace" are quite possibly the last two words in the English language I would associate with Donald J. Huckster. I guess it was just one king stroking another would be king.

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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby JUburton » Tue Jun 26, 2018 08:17:50

CalvinBall wrote:the NY primaries will be interesting tomorrow.

NY14- A progressive, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, is challenging Joe Crowley, who is one of the small few who is line to take over party leadership if the dems should take back the house in the fall. She is my political crush right now. Don't know if she has a real chance against a ten term incumbent, but we will see.

NY19- As mentioned above-- 7 people on the D side. Three "money" guys who raised over 1 million and four others. The winner will face John Faso. If the Ds hope to take back the house, this is one of the seats that is a must win.

NY 11- Former Rep. Grimm facing off against the incumbent, Dan Donovan. Grimm was convicted of federal election crimes about 4 years ago, when he was in congress. Grimm may very well win. More criminals for the Rs in congress. Exciting.

some other interesting ones here laid out by Vox:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... ouse-races
NY-19 the subject of this week's TAL

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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby slugsrbad » Tue Jun 26, 2018 08:21:30

JUburton wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:the NY primaries will be interesting tomorrow.

NY14- A progressive, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, is challenging Joe Crowley, who is one of the small few who is line to take over party leadership if the dems should take back the house in the fall. She is my political crush right now. Don't know if she has a real chance against a ten term incumbent, but we will see.

NY19- As mentioned above-- 7 people on the D side. Three "money" guys who raised over 1 million and four others. The winner will face John Faso. If the Ds hope to take back the house, this is one of the seats that is a must win.

NY 11- Former Rep. Grimm facing off against the incumbent, Dan Donovan. Grimm was convicted of federal election crimes about 4 years ago, when he was in congress. Grimm may very well win. More criminals for the Rs in congress. Exciting.

some other interesting ones here laid out by Vox:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... ouse-races
NY-19 the subject of this week's TAL


I'm going to be preemptively sarcastic for Calvin

CalvinBall's post, granted on a different page wrote:
pretty insightful this amiercan life episode this week. they follow around one candidate for ny 19. a good and depressing look into DCCC machine. reminds me of paul perry's lamentations with the running for office problems he encountered.

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/649/it ... -i-want-to
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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby pacino » Tue Jun 26, 2018 08:24:30

it's Tuesday morning in Reading so that means a group of old men stand outside the local Planned Parenthood and annoy and look down on the women that go in
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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby JUburton » Tue Jun 26, 2018 08:33:53

slugsrbad wrote:
JUburton wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:the NY primaries will be interesting tomorrow.

NY14- A progressive, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, is challenging Joe Crowley, who is one of the small few who is line to take over party leadership if the dems should take back the house in the fall. She is my political crush right now. Don't know if she has a real chance against a ten term incumbent, but we will see.

NY19- As mentioned above-- 7 people on the D side. Three "money" guys who raised over 1 million and four others. The winner will face John Faso. If the Ds hope to take back the house, this is one of the seats that is a must win.

NY 11- Former Rep. Grimm facing off against the incumbent, Dan Donovan. Grimm was convicted of federal election crimes about 4 years ago, when he was in congress. Grimm may very well win. More criminals for the Rs in congress. Exciting.

some other interesting ones here laid out by Vox:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... ouse-races
NY-19 the subject of this week's TAL


I'm going to be preemptively sarcastic for Calvin

CalvinBall's post, granted on a different page wrote:
pretty insightful this amiercan life episode this week. they follow around one candidate for ny 19. a good and depressing look into DCCC machine. reminds me of paul perry's lamentations with the running for office problems he encountered.

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/649/it ... -i-want-to
Above was on a different page!

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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby slugsrbad » Tue Jun 26, 2018 08:48:22

Now I don't know if you're doing a bit (since my quote box pointed that out).
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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby JUburton » Tue Jun 26, 2018 08:52:16

My bit is that this is not a bit.

Anyway, the TAL was pretty interesting and not to BOTH SIDES it but I kind of see both sides. You need money...but you also need message. As someone who has worked in medical device for 10 years all Med Device CEOs are psychopaths and I really hope that dude doesn't win.

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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby Bill McNeal » Tue Jun 26, 2018 09:04:52

JUburton wrote:My bit is that this is not a bit.

Anyway, the TAL was pretty interesting and not to BOTH SIDES it but I kind of see both sides. You need money...but you also need message. As someone who has worked in medical device for 10 years all Med Device CEOs are psychopaths and I really hope that dude doesn't win.



Yeah, just finished listening and Beale (sp) sounds like exactly the candidate that I would vote for, but even as a member of the establishment (ivy league education, diplomatic background, access to politically savvy friends and colleagues) he's still a long shot because he isn't kowtowing to the major donors. Makes me feel kinda ambivalent to our democracy, seems like it's just the ultra rich and corporations who decide what happens to us all.
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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby slugsrbad » Tue Jun 26, 2018 09:07:37

slugsrbad wrote:So there are 4 cases left:

Florida v. Georgia (original jurisdiction case) a dispute about water use

Janus v. AFSCME - Union case

NIFLA v. Becerra - involves First Amendment and abortion

Trump v. Hawaii - Travel ban

Pretty hefty case load left


Just to be wrong, I think there will be 2 today and 2 tomorrow. The water use case and Janus today, NIFLA and travel ban tomorrow. Not a great end of the year for liberals with these court decisions.

At least the Wisconsin gerrymandering case wasn't dismissed out right, but the Texas gerrymandering case was a bit deflating.
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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby 06hawkalum » Tue Jun 26, 2018 09:08:57

Bill McNeal wrote:
JUburton wrote:My bit is that this is not a bit.

Anyway, the TAL was pretty interesting and not to BOTH SIDES it but I kind of see both sides. You need money...but you also need message. As someone who has worked in medical device for 10 years all Med Device CEOs are psychopaths and I really hope that dude doesn't win.



Yeah, just finished listening and Beale (sp) sounds like exactly the candidate that I would vote for, but even as a member of the establishment (ivy league education, diplomatic background, access to politically savvy friends and colleagues) he's still a long shot because he isn't kowtowing to the major donors. Makes me feel kinda ambivalent to our democracy, seems like it's just the ultra rich and corporations who decide what happens to us all.


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