thephan wrote:

JUburton wrote:No idea how Europe and other areas of the world operate restaurants without patrons being the primary payer of servers. They should all close.

Whole different model, but you knew that. That is why things like university in Germany is 5000 euro a year, insurance is single payer, and half of a pay check goes to the state. Rumor has it that the Turkish guys in the back are maybe not paid as well, or even up to German wage standard, and are stealing jobs from good German workers. Of course that last part is just what German's say, and not even the particular nationalist types.

Yes, but the general point stands. They're paid by their employers.

DC will have some growing pains with this change but it will get figured out. Seattle has done the same thing and it's been generally positive for employees, with the obvious caveat that it hasn't been positive for everyone.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... hington-dc

https://theintercept.com/2018/06/11/sav ... employees/

also, other countries dont tip yet still have restaurants. wonder how they do it? probably magic.

Just think how much restaurants could save if we brought back slavery!

pacino wrote:

WASHINGTON (AP) -- AP Sources: Homeland Security secretary drafting order to end family separation at border; unclear if Trump will sign it.

I wonder why...

Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen’s plan for a quiet dinner at MXDC Cocina Mexicana , one of Washington’s upscale Mexican restaurants when she encountered a group of a dozen or so protesters who entered the restaurant to live stream chants of “shame!” and “end family separation!” She sat quietly without acknowledging the group.

A Department of Homeland Security spokesman described the protesters who met Nielsen at the downtown Washington restaurant as sharing “her concern with our current immigration laws” and encouraged them to contact their members of Congress.

JFLNYC wrote:Just think how much restaurants could save if we brought back slavery!

Well, it is pretty close in the back of the house. Some roles, and some employees with employers who might not necessarily be playing by the letter of the law. Slavery might even cost more because the cash transactions never seemed adequate, and most of these people had more then a few side hustles.

a 538 writeup on Doug Jones

Trump is cancelling the Congressional picnic because there's a lot of important work to do. The picnic is tomorrow, Congressional family members are already in town, and he'll probably end up golfing or hate tweeting CNN.

i am saddened for all those involved

Trump is ending the family separation, guess it wasnt on the Dems to end it

The Crimson Cyclone wrote:Trump is ending the family separation, guess it wasnt on the Dems to end it

sure glad the Dems stopped obstructing!

just moving to indefinitely detaining the family unit together

CalvinBall wrote:just moving to indefinitely detaining the family unit together

our entire system is pathetic

Please call Governor Wolf to ask him to shut down the Berks Detention Center

Pennsylvania's budget is sailing through this year, passing the House 188-10. It's basically an extension of last year's budget with some increases in spending on early education. It still doesn't have a tax on the Shale, no minimum wage hike, still has one-time funding, etc. we're in some shitty shape as a state because they refuse to raise any taxes.

cut taxes you moron, haven't you been paying attention?

Why doesn't Donald talk about the market anymore? when was the last time he was bragging? There is a lot of green today. 401K's must be buying.

jerseyhoya wrote:No, you're not budgeting for the worst case scenario because most of the time they're making that in tips.

Let's say you own a small bar/restaurant. It's open from 11 AM to 2 AM daily. You average 3 servers/bartenders - nights and weekends more, but during the day shift there's just 2. That's 45 hours a day times an extra $9.17 an hour times 365. That's over $150,000 a year in new costs just in salary. As the minimum wage goes to $15 from $12.50, it is an extra $190k in hourly wages.

What do you think the outcome of this is going to be?

I think it's more than just small bars/restaurants. It's high volume, low margin businesses that will be squeezed. In the case of a struggling business, if the server is not earning enough in tips in these situations, the owners are already filling up the server to get to the $12.50 hourly rate. They are only paying more if they are getting enough volume for the server to average 12.50 with tips. If the restaurant was already struggling with attracting volume, sure, this will probably encourage them to close. But I think it's the high volume, low margin restaurants with more affordable pricing that will be hurt, and will most affect consumers. Their servers were earning a bunch in tips already, but now the restaurant will have to pay them full minimum wage before tips. They'll have to raise prices. I think this will happen at a bunch of lower-end, popular places.

CalvinBall wrote:just moving to indefinitely detaining the family unit together

indefinite family detention by private contractors

sure would like to see his taxes

we need to de-emphasize the importance of the border, period, in order to actually solve this. our infatuation with the border has put an unnecessary amount of people in harm's way and has been separating families for years. this part stretches back to Clinton, Bush and Obama.

pacino wrote:Pennsylvania's budget is sailing through this year, passing the House 188-10. It's basically an extension of last year's budget with some increases in spending on early education. It still doesn't have a tax on the Shale, no minimum wage hike, still has one-time funding, etc. we're in some shitty shape as a state because they refuse to raise any taxes.

It's amazing we don't tax shale.

Werthless wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:No, you're not budgeting for the worst case scenario because most of the time they're making that in tips.

Let's say you own a small bar/restaurant. It's open from 11 AM to 2 AM daily. You average 3 servers/bartenders - nights and weekends more, but during the day shift there's just 2. That's 45 hours a day times an extra $9.17 an hour times 365. That's over $150,000 a year in new costs just in salary. As the minimum wage goes to $15 from $12.50, it is an extra $190k in hourly wages.

What do you think the outcome of this is going to be?

I think it's more than just small bars/restaurants. It's high volume, low margin businesses that will be squeezed. In the case of a struggling business, if the server is not earning enough in tips in these situations, the owners are already filling up the server to get to the $12.50 hourly rate. They are only paying more if they are getting enough volume for the server to average 12.50 with tips. If the restaurant was already struggling with attracting volume, sure, this will probably encourage them to close. But I think it's the high volume, low margin restaurants with more affordable pricing that will be hurt, and will most affect consumers. Their servers were earning a bunch in tips already, but now the restaurant will have to pay them full minimum wage before tips. They'll have to raise prices. I think this will happen at a bunch of lower-end, popular places.

It's clearly not an either/or situation. There's a level at which restaurant employees are being exploited (most places, traditionally), and a level at which enforced wages are going to stifle too many businesses from opening and operating, to the detriment of owners and employees alike. I applaud DC for creating something like a decent minimum wage, but I have to agree the recent proposal sound like it shifts too far to the other side. It would be nice to have some actual non-partisan numbers, but those are tough to find. So I'll have to go with my gut.

Michael Cohen resigned as the deputy finance chair of the RNC

how the hell was he still the deputy finance chair of the RNC?