From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby pacino » Thu Jun 21, 2018 08:25:44

They want to gut everything that helps people while simultaneously throwing more money at the military:
WASHINGTON — President Trump plans to propose a reorganization of the federal government as early as Thursday that would shuffle key community development, housing and food programs to new departments, where they could be easier to cut or contain, according to administration officials briefed on the proposal.

The plan, which will most likely face significant opposition in Congress from Democrats and some Republicans, includes relocating many social safety net programs into a new megadepartment, which would replace the Department of Health and Human Services and probably include the word “welfare” in its title.

At the heart of the plan is an attempt to shift SNAP, which serves more than 42 million poor and working-class Americans, to the new agency from the Agriculture Department. Conservative think tanks, including the Heritage Foundation and Koch-related entities, have long sought to de-link food aid from agriculture in hopes of cutting costs.

Senate Republicans, who have already rejected a more modest Trump administration attempt to increase work requirements for SNAP recipients, are unlikely to sign off on the proposed shift, which was first reported by Politico.

As recently as earlier this month, Mr. Mulvaney was also considering merging the Labor and Education Departments, either in the new welfare agency or in a new stand-alone department, according to a person with knowledge of his plans.

Mr. Mulvaney’s proposal is, in part, a back-to-the-future bureaucratic move. From 1953 to 1979, the Department of Health, Education and Welfare housed most of the nation’s social welfare and economic support programs. It was abolished by Congress under President Jimmy Carter, and split into the Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Education, in recognition that no single department could manage all of the old department’s functions.

Another proposal included in a draft circulated to officials last week is an attempt to move the $3 billion Community Development Block Grant Program to the Department of Commerce from the Department of Housing and Urban Development, an official said.

This year, Mr. Mulvaney zeroed out funding for the grant program, which provides a broad and flexible funding pool for an array of community development, only to have Senate Republicans restore the cuts.

An adviser to a senior Senate Republican said the move to the Commerce Department was an attempt to strangle the program by removing it from career HUD officials who were more sympathetic to the demands of impoverished communities than Commerce Department officials.

Administration officials said the blueprint for the plan was a 2017 list of reorganization recommendations produced by the conservative Heritage Foundation.

The group’s wish list includes the elimination of a handful of well-known federal programs, including the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, the Corporation for Public Broadcasting and the Export-Import Bank. It was not clear if Mr. Mulvaney had adopted those suggestions. But he is expected to propose far-reaching overhauls to the consumer bureau, which he runs as a second job.
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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby pacino » Thu Jun 21, 2018 08:27:03

Houshphandzadeh wrote:between Bari Weiss, Bret Stephens, and Kevin Williamson, withholding Miller's taped comments the other day at the request of the administration, Haberman's misadventures, the Lifestyle section, not sure why anyone is still sticking up for that paper

they have plenty of very good reporters

their editorial and opinion sections are garbage
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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby CalvinBall » Thu Jun 21, 2018 08:35:29

The Miller thing defense seems ok to me

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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby thephan » Thu Jun 21, 2018 08:37:49

Save your outrage about the Miller audio.
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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby thephan » Thu Jun 21, 2018 08:40:48

Page 15 post got 'bottom paged', so I want to call attention to the fact that the “Unite the Right” organizer, Jason Kessler, has been issued a permit by the National Park Service to hold a rally between Aug. 11 and 12 in Lafayette Square, right behind the White House. Please pay some attention to this and consider coming to DC to peacefully oppose this activity.
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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby pacino » Thu Jun 21, 2018 08:48:50

nah, the NY Times could've and should've released it
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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby thephan » Thu Jun 21, 2018 08:52:52

Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Administrator Scott Pruitt spent $2,749.62 on "tactical pants" and "tactical polos," according to new disclosures cited Wednesday by The Intercept. The clothing items are part of his security expenditures. The disclosures showed that Pruitt spent $288,610 on various security items, bringing the total amount of public money Pruitt has spent on security items to $4.6 million.
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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby CalvinBall » Thu Jun 21, 2018 08:57:43

pacino wrote:nah, the NY Times could've and should've released it


they never said they were going to use it for a podcast, just for the article. you'd prefer them to compromise their integrity?

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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby pacino » Thu Jun 21, 2018 09:00:41

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pacino wrote:nah, the NY Times could've and should've released it


they never said they were going to use it for a podcast, just for the article. you'd prefer them to compromise their integrity?

they objected to the medium being used because it easier highlights the depravity of the answers given


the times has been compromising its integrity for some time in various ways, i don't think this would've done much to stain it
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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby slugsrbad » Thu Jun 21, 2018 09:02:36

pacino wrote:
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pacino wrote:nah, the NY Times could've and should've released it


they never said they were going to use it for a podcast, just for the article. you'd prefer them to compromise their integrity?

they objected to the medium being used because it easier highlights the depravity of the answers given


Still, when you interview a subject ground rules are set. They had permission to record the interview for their paper article/deep dive on immigration, but they did not get permission to disseminate the actual audio. The White House had the right to reject its use as such, it doesn't matter how craven or self-serving their rejection is.
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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby Phred » Thu Jun 21, 2018 09:19:22

thephan wrote:Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Administrator Scott Pruitt spent $2,749.62 on "tactical pants" and "tactical polos," according to new disclosures cited Wednesday by The Intercept. The clothing items are part of his security expenditures. The disclosures showed that Pruitt spent $288,610 on various security items, bringing the total amount of public money Pruitt has spent on security items to $4.6 million.


Maybe, Scott, if you weren't such an asshole, you wouldn't need such heavy security measures.
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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby Bucky » Thu Jun 21, 2018 09:25:58

I'm not sure of how big his security team is compared to other admins, but that tactical pants/polos figure isn't outlandish. Heck, we just spend triple that outfitting the fire company.

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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby JUburton » Thu Jun 21, 2018 09:26:39

Bucky wrote:I'm not sure of how big his security team is compared to other admins, but that tactical pants/polos figure isn't outlandish. Heck, we just spend triple that outfitting the fire company.
but you fight fires and his team hangs out in coach.

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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby Werthless » Thu Jun 21, 2018 09:27:01

pacino wrote:nah, the NY Times could've and should've released it

Could've, sure. Should? Well, they should follow their journalistic ethics, and what they agreed to do. It's hard for me to tell someone that they should loosen their integrity.

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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby Werthless » Thu Jun 21, 2018 09:28:21

thephan wrote:Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Administrator Scott Pruitt spent $2,749.62 on "tactical pants" and "tactical polos," according to new disclosures cited Wednesday by The Intercept. The clothing items are part of his security expenditures. The disclosures showed that Pruitt spent $288,610 on various security items, bringing the total amount of public money Pruitt has spent on security items to $4.6 million.

When he is fired, do those polos become property of the next EPA Admin?

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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby pacino » Thu Jun 21, 2018 09:29:12

Werthless wrote:
pacino wrote:nah, the NY Times could've and should've released it

Could've, sure. Should? Well, they should follow their journalistic ethics, and what they agreed to do. It's hard for me to tell someone that they should loosen their integrity.

i guess i see them loosening their integrity in other respects, so why not for something actually informative?
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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby pacino » Thu Jun 21, 2018 09:30:06

Werthless wrote:
thephan wrote:Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Administrator Scott Pruitt spent $2,749.62 on "tactical pants" and "tactical polos," according to new disclosures cited Wednesday by The Intercept. The clothing items are part of his security expenditures. The disclosures showed that Pruitt spent $288,610 on various security items, bringing the total amount of public money Pruitt has spent on security items to $4.6 million.

When he is fired, do those polos become property of the next EPA Admin?

i can't imaging the dude will ever be fired; if nothing's gotten to him yet, he's in there for the long haul. he's there to make sure those rule changes actually go through.
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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby JUburton » Thu Jun 21, 2018 09:30:12

so are we getting Janus today or what

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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby Bucky » Thu Jun 21, 2018 09:31:28

JUburton wrote:
Bucky wrote:I'm not sure of how big his security team is compared to other admins, but that tactical pants/polos figure isn't outlandish. Heck, we just spend triple that outfitting the fire company.
but you fight fires and his team hangs out in coach.


I'm talking our class "B" uniforms- tactical pants and shirts, not our firefighting gears. Heck that figure would only be like 7 sets of fire gear.

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Re: From Summit to Plummet - Politics Thread

Unread postby pacino » Thu Jun 21, 2018 09:32:09

JUburton wrote:so are we getting Janus today or what

we'll know in a half hour
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