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Re: Don't Go Flake-in My Heart - Politics Thread

Unread postby thephan » Thu Nov 02, 2017 09:21:02

Clovis has been in touch with Muller. His nomination is taking on water, so it is time to cover his assets.
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Re: Don't Go Flake-in My Heart - Politics Thread

Unread postby thephan » Thu Nov 02, 2017 09:22:25

ISIS Flag, Gitmo, keeping it close in NY... he is looking to incite a lynch mob.
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Re: Don't Go Flake-in My Heart - Politics Thread

Unread postby thephan » Thu Nov 02, 2017 09:24:00

Speaking of wackos, Carter Page is back! He loves the spotlight, and truly thinks that there is no such thing as bad PR. He gets his due in a closed door session on the Hill with transcript to follow.
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Re: Don't Go Flake-in My Heart - Politics Thread

Unread postby pacino » Thu Nov 02, 2017 09:27:40

the hackers had lots of targets:
The list provides the most detailed forensic evidence yet of the close alignment between the hackers and the Russian government, exposing an operation that stretched back years and tried to break into the inboxes of 4,700 Gmail users across the globe — from the pope’s representative in Kiev to the punk band Pussy Riot in Moscow.

Secureworks stumbled upon the data after a hacking group known as Fancy Bear accidentally exposed part of its phishing operation to the internet. The list revealed a direct line between the hackers and the leaks that rocked the presidential contest in its final stages, most notably the private emails of Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta.

The issue of who hacked the Democrats is back in the national spotlight following the revelation Monday that a Donald Trump campaign official, George Papadopoulos, was briefed early last year that the Russians had “dirt” on Clinton, including “thousands of emails.”

In the United States, which was Russia’s Cold War rival, Fancy Bear tried to pry open at least 573 inboxes belonging to those in the top echelons of the country’s diplomatic and security services: then-Secretary of State John Kerry, former Secretary of State Colin Powell, then-NATO Supreme Commander, U.S. Air Force Gen. Philip Breedlove, and one of his predecessors, U.S. Army Gen. Wesley Clark.

The list skewed toward workers for defense contractors such as Boeing, Raytheon and Lockheed Martin or senior intelligence figures, prominent Russia watchers and — especially — Democrats. More than 130 party workers, campaign staffers and supporters of the party were targeted, including Podesta and other members of Clinton’s inner circle.

The AP also found a handful of Republican targets.

The list includes Serhiy Leshchenko, an opposition parliamentarian who helped uncover the off-the-books payments allegedly made to Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort — whose indictment was unsealed Monday in Washington.


that article is FULL of info. it would appear most all of this was done from 9am to 6pm Moscow time almost like it was a specific job where people clocked in and left, ALMOST like it was some consistent, government-funded job. :lol:
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Re: Don't Go Flake-in My Heart - Politics Thread

Unread postby Gimpy » Thu Nov 02, 2017 09:28:50

pacino wrote:Donna Brazile drags DWS and Hillary (and Obama's neglect of the DNC)

it's quite a piece. It looks like I was completely wrong about the Victory Fund last year and others on here were correct. The DNC is in dire straits and the years of mismanagement and Wasserman-Schultz is to blame, with Hillary taking advantage. the smoking gun:
When the party chooses the nominee, the custom is that the candidate’s team starts to exercise more control over the party. If the party has an incumbent candidate, as was the case with Clinton in 1996 or Obama in 2012, this kind of arrangement is seamless because the party already is under the control of the president. When you have an open contest without an incumbent and competitive primaries, the party comes under the candidate’s control only after the nominee is certain. When I was manager of Gore’s campaign in 2000, we started inserting our people into the DNC in June. This victory fund agreement, however, had been signed in August 2015, just four months after Hillary announced her candidacy and nearly a year before she officially had the nomination.


I've been wrong to defend a fair primary. I feel like a fool, in all honesty. She got more votes fair and square, but the funding was not fair, the agreement wasn't fair, and the chair openly taking sides was not fair. I apologize to all on this board for defending this bullshit. The Clintons need to go away. Period. We can't move on until then.


Clinton lost, DWS is no longer the DNC chair, I think we just have to move past this. The biggest bummer at the moment is that Canova didn’t beat DWS in the primary last year.

I don’t know how her district leans, but there’s probably a decent shot the Republicans can capitalize on this in the midterms whether Canova beats her in the primary or not. I’ve never been a party guy and I want shitty politicians removed from office regardless of their affiliation, but I’d really rather not see a Dem lose a seat right now.

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Re: Don't Go Flake-in My Heart - Politics Thread

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Thu Nov 02, 2017 09:30:54

pacino wrote:Comey's writing a book called 'A Higher Loyalty: Truth, Lies and Leadership'


Blech, no thanks. Holier than thou prick is still a prick even if he got fired by Donald.



Really. The guy made Trump president. The higher loyalty he's referring to must be the FBI and/or his career.
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Re: Don't Go Flake-in My Heart - Politics Thread

Unread postby pacino » Thu Nov 02, 2017 09:31:40

Gimpy wrote:
pacino wrote:Donna Brazile drags DWS and Hillary (and Obama's neglect of the DNC)

it's quite a piece. It looks like I was completely wrong about the Victory Fund last year and others on here were correct. The DNC is in dire straits and the years of mismanagement and Wasserman-Schultz is to blame, with Hillary taking advantage. the smoking gun:
When the party chooses the nominee, the custom is that the candidate’s team starts to exercise more control over the party. If the party has an incumbent candidate, as was the case with Clinton in 1996 or Obama in 2012, this kind of arrangement is seamless because the party already is under the control of the president. When you have an open contest without an incumbent and competitive primaries, the party comes under the candidate’s control only after the nominee is certain. When I was manager of Gore’s campaign in 2000, we started inserting our people into the DNC in June. This victory fund agreement, however, had been signed in August 2015, just four months after Hillary announced her candidacy and nearly a year before she officially had the nomination.


I've been wrong to defend a fair primary. I feel like a fool, in all honesty. She got more votes fair and square, but the funding was not fair, the agreement wasn't fair, and the chair openly taking sides was not fair. I apologize to all on this board for defending this #$!&@. The Clintons need to go away. Period. We can't move on until then.


Clinton lost, DWS is no longer the DNC chair, I think we just have to move past this. The biggest bummer at the moment is that Canova didn’t beat DWS in the primary last year.

I don’t know how her district leans, but there’s probably a decent shot the Republicans can capitalize on this in the midterms whether Canova beats her in the primary or not. I’ve never been a party guy and I want #$!&@ politicians removed from office regardless of their affiliation, but I’d really rather not see a Dem lose a seat right now.

I have to be honest, I'm fine with Canova losing; the guy is a loon. There needs to be someone saner to run against her.

I also wanted to post that as a mea culpa for trying to defend the victory fund stuff when it would appear hardly any money funneled down.
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Re: Don't Go Flake-in My Heart - Politics Thread

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Thu Nov 02, 2017 09:36:18

pacino wrote: it would appear hardly any money funneled down.



trickle down economics fails again
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Re: Don't Go Flake-in My Heart - Politics Thread

Unread postby Gimpy » Thu Nov 02, 2017 09:45:36

But is anyone else planning on primarying her?

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Re: Don't Go Flake-in My Heart - Politics Thread

Unread postby pacino » Thu Nov 02, 2017 09:50:17

No. It's a safe D district, though.

He's a Seth Rich conspiracy guy, thinks votes were changed, and thinks DWS attacked his computers. Someone else HAS to run.
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Re: Don't Go Flake-in My Heart - Politics Thread

Unread postby Gimpy » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:06:07

Ha, I knew he was a little out there with the Iran deal and something about the Fed, but I didn’t know that stuff. Yeesh, doesn’t anyone sane live in Florida?

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Re: Don't Go Flake-in My Heart - Politics Thread

Unread postby TenuredVulture » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:09:49

I want to avoid going truther here, but this terrorist in NY seems a bit too much a caricature. The fact that his name is more Russian than Arabic should be noted as well. I mean, who really benefits here with this? This takes attention away from the Russian collaboration with the Trump administration. And now we have Trump acting in such a way that might make a real trial difficult. And there's no reason at all to think the Russians couldn't plan an operation like this. It would be pretty easy, and pretty easy to keep secret. (Which is why my conspiracy theory is not really a "truther" conspiracy.)
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Re: Don't Go Flake-in My Heart - Politics Thread

Unread postby thephan » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:31:24

I missed this in the swirl:

Fox News Radio: President Trump claims that he 'turned West Virginia around' by cutting regulations on mining

Washington Post assessment : Big old 4 Pinocchios

Washington Post wrote:Trump takes credit for West Virginia’s economic gains, but it’s undeserved. For one, when the first quarter ended on March 31, 2017, Trump was just two months into his presidency. While he was quick to do away with several regulations on energy production, many of the new policies have yet to take effect. The state’s recent growth is due to increased mining production and a rise in prices for coal and natural gas.

Taking credit for economic advances where no credit is due seems to be a habit for Trump. He should be more careful not to overstate the effect of his administration’s policies when praising economic gains across the country. For trying to capitalize on the hard work of West Virginians, Trump earns Four Pinocchios.
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Re: Don't Go Flake-in My Heart - Politics Thread

Unread postby pacino » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:38:54

Gimpy wrote:Ha, I knew he was a little out there with the Iran deal and something about the Fed, but I didn’t know that stuff. Yeesh, doesn’t anyone sane live in Florida?

it's amazing how bad the Democratic party is in Florida
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Re: Don't Go Flake-in My Heart - Politics Thread

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:39:18

Don't know if you guys saw this, but Cummings and Gowdy have been trying to get several departments to compile plane manifests and costs to see if anyone was using public funds for travel. They have been stonewalled by several agencies. Check down at the bottom of the page for an example of one of the documents HHS redacted. Gee, I wonder if anyone unauthorized was using these flights.

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Re: Don't Go Flake-in My Heart - Politics Thread

Unread postby slugsrbad » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:43:17

TenuredVulture wrote:I want to avoid going truther here, but this terrorist in NY seems a bit too much a caricature. The fact that his name is more Russian than Arabic should be noted as well. I mean, who really benefits here with this? This takes attention away from the Russian collaboration with the Trump administration. And now we have Trump acting in such a way that might make a real trial difficult. And there's no reason at all to think the Russians couldn't plan an operation like this. It would be pretty easy, and pretty easy to keep secret. (Which is why my conspiracy theory is not really a "truther" conspiracy.)


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The country, situated north of Afghanistan and with a population of about 32 million, has long grappled with threats posed by domestic terror groups, like the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan. The group was created in 1988 to establish an Islamist state. It sought to overthrow longtime authoritarian leader Islam Karimov and his anti-Islamist policies, but has repositioned itself as an ally of al-Qaeda and the Taliban and publicly pledged allegiance to ISIS in 2015. The U.S. designated the IMU as a foreign terrorist organization in 2000.
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Re: Don't Go Flake-in My Heart - Politics Thread

Unread postby traderdave » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:46:25

thephan wrote:I missed this in the swirl:

Fox News Radio: President Trump claims that he 'turned West Virginia around' by cutting regulations on mining

Washington Post assessment : Big old 4 Pinocchios

Trump takes credit for West Virginia’s economic gains, but it’s undeserved. For one, when the first quarter ended on March 31, 2017, Trump was just two months into his presidency. While he was quick to do away with several regulations on energy production, many of the new policies have yet to take effect. The state’s recent growth is due to increased mining production and a rise in prices for coal and natural gas.

Taking credit for economic advances where no credit is due seems to be a habit for Trump. He should be more careful not to overstate the effect of his administration’s policies when praising economic gains across the country. For trying to capitalize on the hard work of West Virginians, Trump earns Four Pinocchios.


Why should he be careful? There appears to be no consequences for his carpet bombing of lies.

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Re: Don't Go Flake-in My Heart - Politics Thread

Unread postby CalvinBall » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:46:54

trey gowdy has finally found another thing to consume his waking hours. happy for him.

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Re: Don't Go Flake-in My Heart - Politics Thread

Unread postby jamiethekiller » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:49:07

they release this tax reform shit yet?

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Unread postby CalvinBall » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:49:08

gonna figure this all out and pass it before thanksgiving!

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