was just listening in on the brewers broadcast. supoosedly they are in the mix, and toronto is interested in Parra. i imagine happ > parra and drabek > laporta, so good news all around.

VFB wrote:was just listening in on the brewers broadcast. supoosedly they are in the mix, and toronto is interested in Parra. i imagine happ > parra and drabek > laporta, so good news all around.

LaPorta is in Cleveland now!

FTN wrote:Maybe the Angels are interested in another property and JP is asking them to drive up the price on Halladay.

I see no way they trade Weaver.

It would be like us trading Myers in a deal if he was 100% healthy and pitching well. You're replacing one really good part with a great part. Its a minimal upgrade considering the immense secondary costs (ie, parts 2, 3 and 4 in the deal)

I agree with this 100%. Given the disparity in salary and age, I'm not sure I'd trade Weaver for Halladay straight up. Weaver's career ERA+ is 125; Halladay's is 132. Is Halladay really $14MM better? That's a lot of money which could be used elsewhere.

The Dude wrote:I'll turn my apartment into a Mormon temple if it gets him here

You just need that extra "M"


BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Bucky wrote:

The Dude wrote:I'll turn my apartment into a Mormon temple if it gets him here

You just need that extra "M"


BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh No You Didn't?!?!?

Woody wrote:Someone plot out the Mormon churches in the area and send the link to the Blue Jays

There's a big one in Cherry Hill of all places, right on Evesham Road.

GrizzledVeteran wrote:

Woody wrote:Someone plot out the Mormon churches in the area and send the link to the Blue Jays

There's a big one in Cherry Hill of all places, right on Evesham Road.

Get Dale Murphy to help out. He loved it in Philly!

Andy Reid

Trent Steele wrote:

FTN wrote:

Trent Steele wrote:

FTN wrote:

Shawn (Philly)

It's been reported that the Phillies consider Kyle Drabek untouchable. If that's the case, is there any combination of prospects not including him that could entice the Jays to trade Halladay to the Phils?
Keith Law (1:04 PM)

Sticking with a theme - how stupid is that? Drabek isn't even good enough to be "untouchable" (great stuff, already blew out his elbow, fair delivery at best, makeup questions dating back to HS), but more to the point, you're talking about acquiring one of the top 5 starters in baseball - maybe the top starter in baseball - for a year and a half. You don't designate a AA pitcher as "untouchable" if you're serious about acquiring Doc.

I don't think he's seen him in person since he overhauled his mechanics, but his points are fair. Drabek should not be completely untouchable, and I consider him our best prospect. But we should be talking him up as by far our most valuable commodity

Drabek's not untouchable, and Law is simply a dick whether he's right or not. Amaro is doing exactly what he should be doing right now with his public comments (and, FWIW, I don't think Amaro ever said Drabek was untouchable; Cholly did). The problem with most of the "pundits" is that they have never had to negotiate a goddamn thing other than the price for a car or a house. They have no clue how the process works.

Well, since he did work in the front office for a MLB team, I think he has some understanding how the negotiating process works. Much moreso than any of us just throwing out a bunch of names

Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. I'm sure most of the other people on the board who negotiate things for a living know that there is absolutely zero truth to the notion that Drabek is untouchable. Law should know that as well if that was his job. So either he is being a tool on purpose or an idiot by accident.

Law has said in the past that he's a tool on purpose so folks will pay attention to him. Law is similar to pretty much all writers/announcers/pundits in that way. At least he admits it.

Here's some interesting stuff regarding Law and Riccardi:

http://bluejaysnews.wordpress.com/2006/ ... t-revenge/

http://eastwindupchronicle.com/keith-la ... t-friends/

Anyway, it's pretty clear Law is behind the power curve regarding Drabek. Fair delivery and makeup problems from high school?? Is he stuck in 2006 or something? I remember when Cole Hamels had makeup problems from high school too. (Remember the broken arm controversy?).

It's tough keeping up with just the Phillies prospects let alone all the big league clubs' minor leaguers. But Law does seem to opine on things when he just doesn't have the information. He does get the attention though.

Halladay lost. Drabek no longer needs to be included...

For Shane to become an All-Star?

ek wrote:Salisbury just said the Phillies have been angling for this moment for over a year. also they are very serious players and that the next move is that Amaro has told Riccardi that when it has reached critical mass and they are ready to deal, they will get together

Let's hope that they don't blow it now by posturing (or for any other reason, for that matter).

I actually have some faith the Rube will handle this well. I'm certainly more comfortable with him running the process than someone like Wade.

Forget the deal, my excitement at the thought that Roy Halladay might become a Phillies is reaching critical mass! DO IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

why is this thread only 34 pages

Having thought about this some more, and kind of thinking about the entire situation, this is my read on it.

* Amaro will trade anyone in the system for Halladay, including Drabek.
* He's labeling Drabek untouchable to further inflate his value, which is smart.
* He's trying to make Toronto take one of two trades; one involves Drabek and not a whole lot else, ie, no Brown/Taylor, while the other involves a whole lot of parts and no Drabek.
* He knows that ultimately he's going to have to trade Drabek to get Halladay
* It comes down to Toronto's willingness to actually trade him, and then who can realistically trump the Phillies offer while also providing Halladay with a place he'll agree to go to
* Amaro doesn't want to bid against himself. If Halladay says he'll only approve a trade to an East Coast team, there's no sense throwing all your cards on the table to trump an offer from the Angels that won't matter. Same deal as the White Sox and Peavy.
* They'll end up with Halladay as long as another team doesn't do something really dumb or JP doesn't get cold feet.

Its pretty clear that the current FO loves Halladay, Gillick loved him too. And its clear he'd be a huge shot in the arm for the team.

The big thing is, well, its a smaller thing, we could use Halladay NOW, not on July 31st. If he started today, he'd have 4 more starts this month I think. Theres a decent amount of value in those 4 starts.

If he's traded to the NL before the break, does he still pitch in the All-Star game?

With Lopez now down with a bum shoulder, the one thing Rube has to consider, IMO, is that it has become imperative that Happ not be included in any deal for Halladay. Either that, or they should sign or promote someone to that fifth spot forthwith, before they have any negotiations about Halladay. If the Blue Jays think the Phillies have only four arms for the rotation, the price on Halladay goes up. This is why I predicted that, if the Phillies were ever going to sign Pedro, it would be done today. Why wait otherwise? I don't think you screw around waiting on a guy in Lopez who's 33 with a shoulder injury, and being without a named fifth starter gives Toronto that more leverage, as it makes the Phillies that much more desperate for starting pitching.

If they sign Pedro today, he has until the 21st to get ready (they don't need him until after the ASB, and play resumes Friday for the Phillies, so they could conceivably go without a fifth starter for four games from that Friday, which gets you to the 21st).

The point is, if Pedro is an option, I would have expected him to be signed today, so he could start getting ready. The fact that they apparently haven't yet says to me they won't. I don't know if that's good, bad, or indifferent, but there it is.

With Pedro off the table, it becomes all the more imperative that the Phillies (1) identify, quickly, someone who can pass as a fifth starter, if only for the period during which they are negotiating with the Blue Jays, and (2) keep Happ. A rotation of:

Hamels
Halladay
Blanton
Moyer (OMG)
OMFG

is still scary to me, especially in the postseason (yes, I realize whoever fills the "OMFG" role will not be in the postseason rotation). Sure, Hamels and Halladay will be good, but they will be going up against the opponents' best pitchers (what if we - oh lord help us - play the Giants in the first round?), while Moyer is likely, in my mind, to be significantly worse than other team's fourth pitchers in playoff series.

Just my two cents.

I'm waiting for the 100 emails and texts I'll receive when this goes down.

While I agree that Happ shouldn't be going anywhere (unless including him means keeping Drabek), I don't know if seeing Lopez's name penciled into the #5 slot is any more comforting (or frightening) than that of Carpenter, Carrasco, or Kendrick.