I WANT HIM NOW!!

You can't deal Taylor AND Brown. Both project to be above-average production bats for very cheap, in no more than 2-3 years--IOW, when Werth's contract is up and Ibanez is either very old or gone.

I'd rather not do the deal than include both, plus Drabek or Knapp. (Though at the same time, I can't imagine that Toronto would want both given their obligations to Wells and Rios and their control of Snider.)

dajafi wrote:You can't deal Taylor AND Brown. Both project to be above-average production bats for very cheap, in no more than 2-3 years--IOW, when Werth's contract is up and Ibanez is either very old or gone.

I'd rather not do the deal than include both, plus Drabek or Knapp. (Though at the same time, I can't imagine that Toronto would want both given their obligations to Wells and Rios and their control of Snider.)

I doubt they would want both and I wouldnt give up both and Drabek. My point is that I'd rather give up both of them than one of them and Drabek. But it's an irrelevant point.

Key point that Bill Conlin made today. The Jays farm system has some very well regarded OF prospects.

They apparently are coveting SP and IF prospects.

So it's very plausible that Brown and Taylor don't even interest them.

ek wrote:forgot to post this. listening to riccardi on xm home plate yesterday on the way home in an interview. he said 75-80% chance of not moving him at all

I heard Halladay speak and he is going to be traded, and he knows it, and likes it.

well then who cares what the gm says

ek wrote:forgot to post this. listening to riccardi on xm home plate yesterday on the way home in an interview. he said 75-80% chance of not moving him at all

WOW - that is a much better % than I would have thought. In my mind, saying there is a 20% to 25% chance he is going to be moved is like saying he is good as gone. Remember, Halladay is a guy they would not even talk about just a few days ago.

Going to be funny when the Phils are the road team in the WS because their co-ace shut down the NL in the ASG.

lowcountry wrote:Going to be funny when the Phils are the road team in the WS because their co-ace shut down the NL in the ASG.

The team has a better road record, so I am in.

also -- stole home-field from the Rays right away last season

imo, thats a great, great thing.

ek wrote:zolecki trying to temper expections on WIP right now. he really doesn't think they'll give up Drabek

That's not what he said. I am actually more excited after hearing his interview. He thinks we have a real shot to get this done. Yes they don't want to move Drabek, but if they can do so and maybe give up lesser and fewer prospects in that deal, it may be worth it.

Drabek looks great. Halladay IS great.

Our offense is sick, and our division is begging us to take it. If we get Halladay, the playoffs are a near lock, and all of a sudden, we've got Halladay/Hamels/whatever for our short series.

And we get him for 2010, too, when we will AGAIN have a legitimate shot at a WFC.

I'm OK with one of Carrasco and Drabek, one of Taylor and Brown, and Marson. If they take Carrasco, not Drabek, I'd probably offer Donald, too. And filler.. they can have all the Bastardo types they need.

If we end this season with Halladay, and still have, say, Carrasco and Brown, I'll drink a beer to Drabek's future at the parade.

ek wrote:haha, you must have heard something different than I did. he did say that part at the end though yes. but the chances of that happening are slim to none.

They most certainly will trade Drabek in the right package for Halladay. If they can do Drabek, Marson, Donald and Savery as opposed to Happ, Carrasco, Brown, Marson, Bastardo & Donald, you had better bet they will do so.

kenrosenthal wrote:imo, thats a great, great thing.

Yeah, can't wait to get my seats in 2017 to see if he turns out to be as good as Haladay.

Or, next year

GET ZITO

The Dude wrote:Or, next year

Are you suggesting Drabek will be as good as Halladay next year?

BIGPHILLY wrote:Key point that Bill Conlin made today. The Jays farm system has some very well regarded OF prospects.

They apparently are coveting SP and IF prospects.

So it's very plausible that Brown and Taylor don't even interest them.

Which is why no Drabek, no deal. Other than Drabek our most enticing prospects are Taylor and Brown, who interest JP the least (not that he wouldn't like one or both). So it's got to be Drabek, Donald, ++(+). I'm thinking Marson has to be in there somewhere. I wish he and Donald were having better years because it would make it a whole lot easier for JP to say "yes." Maybe Drabek, Donald, Marson, Taylor (just because he's a top prospect, even though an OF) and Bastardo. That'd be quite a haul IMO.

Brantt wrote:

The Dude wrote:Or, next year

Are you suggesting Drabek will be as good as Halladay next year?

No, but seeing him pitch for a year or two in 2009 and 2010 will tell us a great deal. Just nitpicking, but it seems silly too suggest that