My bizarre Roy Halladay obsession

by **BigEd76** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 19:03:02

Halladay was interviewed today and he sounded like someone that was ready to leave....."of course my first choice would be to win a title with [Toronto], but...."

by **lowcountry** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 19:03:54

PA_Dan wrote:Real Ken...

Right-hander Roy Halladay is not the only available player on the Blue Jays' roster. The Jays are shopping right fielder Alex Rios and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

Rios, owed approximately $60 million between 2010 and '14, is more likely to be traded in the offseason, if then. Scouts say he is better defensively in center than he is in right, and his offensive numbers also profile better in center.

words words words words words.

better

by **JFLNYC** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 19:04:04

And the weather's better in Los Angeles.

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 19:08:14

I wonder if this might become a thing where Riccardi loks to package Halladay with Rolen for salary relief and will take a lesser package in return. Rolen's contract is pretty much an albatross at this point, so I don't know that there is any team out there willing to do it (if there is, it's probably the Angels), but I would think he at least has to consider that possibility. Getting out from under Rolen would be good for the Blue Jays.

by **PA_Dan** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 19:11:42

mozartpc27 wrote:I wonder if this might become a thing where Riccardi loks to package Halladay with Rolen for salary relief and will take a lesser package in return.

The rest of the Real Ken quote...

Some scouts and executives have speculated that the Blue Jays might ask a team interested in Halladay to swallow one of their other big contracts, but such an idea is unrealistic.

In addition to Rolen, center fielder Vernon Wells has a full no-trade clause, and Rios has one through 2010.

by **ReadingPhilly** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 19:32:49

mets are the frontrunners with a niese/murphy/fmart package

by **FTN** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 19:57:18

ReadingPhilly wrote:
Phight On! wrote:Wasn't one of the big reasons Keith Law got fired was for vehemently opposing the Jays signing BJ Ryan?

i think he just got tired of ricciardi's $#@! and resigned. i haven't heard the ryan story, but i think he was pissed after jp decided that romero was better than tulo and wouldn't hear any counterarguments.

yep.

the ryan story is legit.

by **bleh** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 20:14:37

PA_Dan wrote:From an interview with Amaro Jr. posted on the official Phillies FB...

Question: Can you go out and get a stud pitcher?
Answer: We have some flexibility. A lot of it depends on the player that we're talking about. But we have some flexibility. It's not unlimited. And as you know, we have the highest payroll we've ever had. We're well over $130 million, and there is a limit to what we can spend.

Q: Are there untouchable players in your farm system?
A: There are some untouchables in our system. We feel that we're building a pretty strong farm system. ... We have to be prudent about what our future is about. It is important to win now, and we understand the importance of that. But that said, there are players we would like to keep for our future. And I would say they're not as touchable as others.

Q: But it is a situation where you absolutely would not trade somebody? If the best player in the Major Leagues is available, are there still players you would not consider trading?
A: There are.

(Those players are right-handers Kyle Drabek and Jason Knapp and outfielder Dominic Brown.)

typical Amaro interview where he says a lot without saying anything

by **momadance** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 20:57:48

bleh wrote:typical GM interview where he says a lot without saying anything

FYP

by **JFLNYC** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 22:47:47

According to Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the Cardinals' interest in Blue Jays ace Roy Halladay is very real.

Here's what Strauss tweeted just a moment ago: Asked about the price tag for Halladay, a club source said: "Give Ricciardi all our minor-league rosters and let him circle any 5 names."

A deal with the Cardinals would start with Brett Wallace, and might also include Pete Kozma, Daryl Jones and/or Clay Mortensen. We're just throwing the Birds' top prospects out on the table, but that's what it's going to take. According to Erik Manning of FutureRedbirds.net, via the Post-Dispatch's Bernie Miklasz, the Jays "showed a lot of pre-draft interest" in both Wallace and Kozma.

by **philliesphhan** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 22:52:40

"a club source" could be the batboy or something though

by **LongDrive** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 22:53:22

The Phillies should let them circle 5 as well.

by **CFP** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 22:53:59

I can't stop clicking this thread.

by **JFLNYC** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 22:54:47

Drabek, Happ, Donald, Brown, Taylor. Even I wouldn't do that.

by **WilliamC** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 22:57:43

Drabek/Happ/Donald

If that isn't enough then F it

That would really suck but it's going to take it

by **JFLNYC** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 23:01:10

ek wrote:
WilliamC wrote:Drabek/Happ/Donald

If that isn't enough then F it

That would really suck but it's going to take it

Jim Callis today said the Jays wouldn't take that. he did say they would probably take Drabek Taylor and Donald though

I'd hate it, but I'd do it. And to get to 5 total, I'd even throw in a couple of "B" prospects.

by **philliesphhan** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 23:03:42

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by **steven snell** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 23:08:20

I think it would be safe to check for a new thread 'Halladay is a Phillies', instead of checking here :-)

by **FTN** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 23:12:57

The Cards system isn't as good as ours. Wallace is a big time hitter, but he's fringy at best at 3B. None of their arms come close to Drabek.

by **FTN** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 23:16:22

Realistically speaking (and this is coming from someone I trust), its going to take Drabek, one of Taylor/Brown, Donald, and then a 4th prospect.

Toronto doesn't HAVE to deal him. Its not about just putting together a package that is better than what Team X has to offer. Its about putting together a deal that convinces Toronto to actually trade him.

But its not a rental. You don't trade elite prospects for a rental. You've got, at minimum, 2009 and 2010 with Halladay. And theres a good chance he'll want an extension before agreeing to a trade. And even if he does walk, you get back two first round picks.

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