My bizarre Roy Halladay obsession

by **Phan In Phlorida** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 14:06:45

Trent Steele wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:Let's suppose it were possible to get both Halladay and Lee, but you'd really and truly clean out the farm system doing it. For example:

. For Halladay: Drabek, Happ, Donald and Taylor.
. For Lee: Carrasco, Knapp, Marson and Brown.

That's a ton (actually 2 tons) to give up.

Who here would do it?

I would not. They won't/can't resign both of them after 20120. Completely gutting the system isnt worth it to me.

That's a loooong time from now. They'd both be around Moyer's age by then.

by **Bucky** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 14:07:54

waiting for the ROY WILL BE A PHILLIE threat

by **JFLNYC** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 14:08:11

Phight On! wrote:It's amazing how much difference a few months makes.

Carrasco was almost unanimously the Phils best prospect- or at least he was easily the top pitcher- on just about every prospect website's list. He had a bad start to the season and has gotten rocked on a few occasions to inflate his numbers. However he's looked like an ace over his last 3 starts to he might be turning things around- 19.1 IP, 18 H, 3 ER, 16K, and 7 BB as a 22 year old in AAA.

OTOH we didn't know what to expect from Drabek but he has looked incredible thus far as a 21 yo in AA which has increased his value exponentially.

From a value standpoint, we would be selling high on Drabek and selling low on Carrasco if we were to trade him so I'd almost prefer to deal Drabek as crazy as that may sound.

These are really important points. As much as we all feel good at the moment about the current crop of Phillies prospects, there's no telling what the group will look like a year from now, with injuries, under-performance, etc. I can't ever recall a time when the market perception of the Phils' prospects was higher. Of course, it's always possible it could get even better. But IMO, given it's current state, it's far more likely to go down than up.

by **stevemc** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 14:39:04

Phight On! wrote: Halladay is a horse and frankly is a better pitcher than Cole at this point in their careers.

bite your tongue!

Also don't forget we will have Myers coming back at some point as well whether it's a starter or reliever.

Really? Not so sure.

by **CFP** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 15:08:11

I like how Ricciardi dangled Stairs or Tallet for Donald, and then we got Stairs for Fabio Castro. This is why Pat Gillick is going to be in the Hall of Fame.

by **Ace Rothstein** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 15:12:32

is harry halladay a phillies yet ?

by **BigEd76** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 15:13:04

did helpus88 chime in yet?

by **Stay_Disappointed** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 15:15:06

mlbdailydish:

According to a report in the LA Times, the Angels could be the first team ready to make a huge offer to the Toronto Blue Jays for ace Roy Halladay.

As we reported Monday Blue Jays GM J.P. Ricciardi announced publicly for the first time that he will in fact listen to offers for Roy Halladay, and it appears that teams are lining up quickly.

It's believed that if the Angles were to put together a package for Halladay it would be enormous consisting of something like, pitcher Jered Weaver, a top pitching prospect such as Trevor Reckling or Jordan Walden, top hitting prospect Brandon Wood and a young big leaguer such as Erick Aybar or Howie Kendrick.

On the surface that is a ton of prospects to give up, and if the deal was to look something like that it's hard to imagine that Angels GM Tony Reagins would be able to pull the trigger; however, Ricciardi has made it clear that it will take a lot to get Halladay.

While yesterday's revelation was news to the public, it appears the Angels have been aware that Halladay was available for some time now.

Here is what Angels manager Mike Scioscia had to say Tuesday about Halladay.

"Tony has talked to a lot of clubs (referring to Angels GM Tony Reagins), and he's talked to Toronto, Obviously, [Halladay] is a name that piques the interest of everyone in baseball."

"It's tough to make a deal for pitching because it's such a valuable commodity, If you're trying to acquire it, then you better have a king's ransom to get it because good pitching is as tight as it's ever been right now."

Halladay, 32, is under contract through 2010 and is scheduled to make $14.25 million this year and $15.75 million next season. More importantly though Halladay has a full no-trade clause, so he would have to approve any deal the Blue Jays made.

Most likely this deal will never happen, like I said I can't imagine the Angels giving up that many players just to get Halladay. But I'm still not convinced that there is not one team out their not willing to pony up the ransom to get him. I'm not sure yet who it's going to be, but I just think this may be a one time shot to get Halladay, and If he remains with the team it's not out of the realm of possibility that the Blue Jays contend next year and Halladay is no longer available. Halladay is just too valuable and there are too many teams that he could make a HUGE impact on. A team like Milwaukee for instance they have a ton of young prospects, and if they were willing to give up a lot for a rental in Sabathia, why not give up a lot for Halladay. I guess for now we're all going to have to sit in anticipation and see how this plays out. Either way this is the best trade juice of the season so far.

by **Woody** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 15:16:27

It was fun while it lasted

:ce:

by **philliesr98** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 15:19:37

wow, well that proposed offer from the angles just tempered me a little...

bring on pedro

by **CFP** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 15:20:09

Gone the way of Manny Part 1 and Part 2. Thanks for the memories Roy.

by **The Red Tornado** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 15:21:00

It's believed that if the Angles were to put together a package for Halladay it would be enormous consisting of something like, pitcher Jered Weaver, a top pitching prospect such as Trevor Reckling or Jordan Walden, top hitting prospect Brandon Wood and a young big leaguer such as Erick Aybar or Howie Kendrick.

That trade might make the Jays the favorites to win the AL east!

by **BIGPHILLY** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 15:21:22

CFP wrote:I like how Ricciardi dangled Stairs or Tallet for Donald, and then we got Stairs for Fabio Castro. This is why Pat Gillick is going to be in the Hall of Fame.

* Amen. Ed Wade would have said "Donald for Stairs or Tallet? How about Donald, Marson and Carrasco for both?"

by **FTN** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 15:22:27

ek wrote:can someone kind of equate a trade from our prospective similar to the Angels possible proposal?

there isnt one

by **BIGPHILLY** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 15:22:47

Yeah. Amaro won't play at the big boy poker table with the Angels. I guarantee it.

But - I will say - that Howie Kendrick is simply awful and if the Jays buy into him as a future star 2B - they are being fooled.

by **The Red Tornado** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 15:25:14

Jered Weaver = Blanton
Trevor Reckling or Jordan Walden = Carrasco or Savery
Brandon Wood= Taylor or Brown
Erick Aybar or Howie Kendrick= ?? Maybe Donald?

by **BIGPHILLY** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 15:26:27

The Red Tornado wrote:Jered Weaver = Blanton
Trevor Reckling or Jordan Walden = Carrasco or Savery
Brandon Wood= Taylor or Brown
Erick Aybar or Howie Kendrick= ?? Maybe Donald?

* Nicely done.

by **Ace Rothstein** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 15:27:36

harry halladay wont be a phillies :cry:

by **Grotewold** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 15:28:12

I'll need more than "it's believed" before letting go of the dream

by **gpicaro** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 15:28:15

The Red Tornado wrote:Jered Weaver = Blanton
Trevor Reckling or Jordan Walden = Carrasco or Savery
Brandon Wood= Taylor or Brown
Erick Aybar or Howie Kendrick= ?? Maybe Donald?

I think I would be alright with Blanton, Carrasco, Brown, and Donald for Halladay.

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