My bizarre Roy Halladay obsession

by **BigEd76** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 17:17:57

is it David Murphy?

Latest High Cheese said Amaro/Manuel declared Drabek is absolutely untouchable, even for Halladay....

by **CFP** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 17:19:16

It's Andy Martino.

Notice that ever since the Daily News became "an edition of the Inquirer" they've had Martino on a couple of times and another Inquirer writer (I forget who) on too.

by **CalvinBall** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 17:20:09

gpicaro wrote:
Ace Rothstein wrote:who is this kid on DNL talking Halladay

I was thinking the exact same thing. He looks like he's 12.

Andy Martino, Inky Beat Guy

by **WilliamC** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 17:20:26

BigEd76 wrote:
Latest High Cheese said Amaro/Manuel declared Drabek is absolutely untouchable, even for Halladay....

Even if this is not true I am glad it is what they are saying.

by **gpicaro** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 17:20:38

BigEd76 wrote:is it David Murphy?

Nope.... ahh I believe Barkann just said it was Andy Martino.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillies_zone/Live_chat_at_1130_Wednesday.html

by **FTN** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 17:23:53

The key is Toronto's leverage

they are seemingly indicating they cant afford to keep Halladay past next season

Its the same scenario as Santana then if he lets it get to the winter

If he waits till December to trade him, then he runs the risk of not getting a blue chip guy in Drabek, Taylor, or Brown

by **Phight On!** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 17:39:54

stevemc wrote:
Phight On! wrote: Halladay is a horse and frankly is a better pitcher than Cole at this point in their careers.

bite your tongue!

Also don't forget we will have Myers coming back at some point as well whether it's a starter or reliever.

Really? Not so sure.

This little nugget from the Inky the other day gives us some hope at least:

[url=http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20090703_Phillies_Notes__Manuel__Hamels_may_be_affected_by_innings_jump.html]Myers makes progress
Brett Myers was reexamined by surgeon Bryan Kelly yesterday and was cleared to begin a throwing program in two weeks. A return from hip surgery this season remains unlikely, but could Myers potentially help the Phillies' bullpen down the stretch if he makes a quick recovery?

Dubee said that, while no plan has been established for Myers, a bullpen role would require a shorter rehabilitation. "Of course, it takes longer to work up to 100 pitches than it does to pitch an inning, but we have to listen to the doctors and see how things go with Brett," Dubee said.[/url]

by **Phight On!** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 17:42:45

Wasn't one of the big reasons Keith Law got fired was for vehemently opposing the Jays signing BJ Ryan?

by **JFLNYC** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 17:56:54

So it sounds like no deal for RH because Drabek's untouchable and we end up with Pedro because, if they weren't interested after the workout, Amaro would have said so.

by **nycphils** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 18:04:50

My prediction - he gets traded, and to the Phils for Taylor, Carrasco, Donald and Knapp.

I'd be happier if it was Brown, not Taylor and I'd rather give up 2 Flande/Carpenter/Worley types than Knapp, but I'd view that as a deal I'd ultimately do.

Still would leave Drabek, Brown, Marson as premium guys and lots of guys in the Bastardo/Savery/Stutes/Carpenter/Flande basket.

by **dajafi** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 18:10:35

nycphils wrote:My prediction - he gets traded, and to the Phils for Taylor, Carrasco, Donald and Knapp.

I'd be happier if it was Brown, not Taylor and I'd rather give up 2 Flande/Carpenter/Worley types than Knapp, but I'd view that as a deal I'd ultimately do.

Still would leave Drabek, Brown, Marson as premium guys and lots of guys in the Bastardo/Savery/Stutes/Carpenter/Flande basket.

Pretty sure I could live with this. They seem to like Brown better than Taylor (a view I strongly shared until fairly recently, and still might hold considering age difference). And while Knapp might have as high or higher upside than Drabek, the fact that Drabek is more likely to contribute to a contender with the current nucleus has to count for something.

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 18:17:19

Phight On! wrote:Wasn't one of the big reasons Keith Law got fired was for vehemently opposing the Jays signing BJ Ryan?

They fired a man because he voiced an opinion on a deal that wasn't in concert with their own before the trade was executed? Isn't that why you have multiple scouts/advisors? To hear different viewpoints?

Sounds like a funny way to run a railroad if you ask me.

by **jerseyhoya** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 18:20:15

Obviously he makes sense for Philly. And they're going to have to pay out the ass.

I'll be highly disappointed if they don't have to move anyone of consequence from their ML roster though. Although I wouldn't mind them having to move Brown/Taylor, Drabek/Carrasco, Donald/Marson, etc.

But if Toronto is really sticking with the "we want a potential #1 who is near ready" stance, they have to entertain Hamels, don't they? Happ can't be the best piece of that package...

by **CrashburnAlley** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 18:24:32

mozartpc27 wrote:
Phight On! wrote:Wasn't one of the big reasons Keith Law got fired was for vehemently opposing the Jays signing BJ Ryan?

They fired a man because he voiced an opinion on a deal that wasn't in concert with their own before the trade was executed? Isn't that why you have multiple scouts/advisors? To hear different viewpoints?

Sounds like a funny way to run a railroad if you ask me.

I'm pretty sure Law left the Jays willingly to work for ESPN. I don't think he was fired, especially for ideological reasons.

by **ReadingPhilly** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 18:25:32

Phight On! wrote:Wasn't one of the big reasons Keith Law got fired was for vehemently opposing the Jays signing BJ Ryan?

i think he just got tired of ricciardi's shit and resigned. i haven't heard the ryan story, but i think he was pissed after jp decided that romero was better than tulo and wouldn't hear any counterarguments.

by **PA_Dan** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 18:38:40

From an interview with Amaro Jr. posted on the official Phillies FB...

Question: Can you go out and get a stud pitcher?
Answer: We have some flexibility. A lot of it depends on the player that we're talking about. But we have some flexibility. It's not unlimited. And as you know, we have the highest payroll we've ever had. We're well over $130 million, and there is a limit to what we can spend.

Q: Are there untouchable players in your farm system?
A: There are some untouchables in our system. We feel that we're building a pretty strong farm system. ... We have to be prudent about what our future is about. It is important to win now, and we understand the importance of that. But that said, there are players we would like to keep for our future. And I would say they're not as touchable as others.

Q: But it is a situation where you absolutely would not trade somebody? If the best player in the Major Leagues is available, are there still players you would not consider trading?
A: There are.

(Those players are right-handers Kyle Drabek and Jason Knapp and outfielder Dominic Brown.)

by **Phan In Phlorida** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 18:45:42

jerseyhoya wrote:
Obviously he makes sense for Philly. And they're going to have to pay out the ass.

I'll be highly disappointed if they don't have to move anyone of consequence from their ML roster though. Although I wouldn't mind them having to move Brown/Taylor, Drabek/Carrasco, Donald/Marson, etc.

But if Toronto is really sticking with the "we want a potential #1 who is near ready" stance, they have to entertain Hamels, don't they? Happ can't be the best piece of that package...

Entertain Hamels? With what, a puppet show? A movie?

by **lowcountry** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 18:49:26

It's like Bizarro World

-- Phillies win WFC
-- Phillies now actually giving players MRIs
-- Phillies actually talking UP their minor-leaguers

Feel like I've died and gone to Baseball Heav ... St. Louis.

by **PA_Dan** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 18:57:35

Real Ken...

Right-hander Roy Halladay is not the only available player on the Blue Jays' roster. The Jays are shopping right fielder Alex Rios and would consider moving third baseman Scott Rolen, among others, major-league sources say.

Rios, owed approximately $60 million between 2010 and '14, is more likely to be traded in the offseason, if then. Scouts say he is better defensively in center than he is in right, and his offensive numbers also profile better in center.

Rolen also will be a difficult mid-season sell due to his contract — he is earning $11 million this season and $11 million in 2010 and possesses a full no-trade clause.

by **JFLNYC** » Wed Jul 08, 2009 19:02:42

Don't even think about it.

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