How good do you think the 4th prospect would have to be?

So say the deal was Drabek, Donald, Brown and Bastardo.

Do you jump?

WilliamC wrote:So say the deal was Drabek, Donald, Brown and Bastardo.

Do you jump?

It's moot because I don't think there's a chance Rube offers either Drabek or Brown, let alone both.

I personally think Amaro is just posturing so as to not show all of his cards.

The Rangers have interest and were supposedly told their package would need to start with Justin Smoak and Derek Holland and add from there. They're probably out of it anyway because of the stadium and because they don't want to add payroll...

JFLNYC wrote:

WilliamC wrote:So say the deal was Drabek, Donald, Brown and Bastardo.

Do you jump?

It's moot because I don't think there's a chance Rube offers either Drabek or Brown, let alone both.

I think Rube's smarter than you give him credit for (He's a Stanford man, you know!).

Rube is doing exactly what he should be doing. He's making the big 3 into hotter commodities and bigger trade chips by posturing.

I think at this point, Rube would be kidding himself if he thought he could get Halladay without offering either Drabek or Brown.

FTN wrote:Toronto doesn't HAVE to deal him. Its not about just putting together a package that is better than what Team X has to offer. Its about putting together a deal that convinces Toronto to actually trade him.

But at the same time, Toronto stand a better chance of good return if they trade him this year. I think we're kind've lucky the santana deal went down as recently as it did, because it should remind any sensible GM of the risks of hanging onto a player for too long, and then ending up with comparitively poor return for one of the best players in the game. And given that the the blue jays won't want to trade to either the sox or the yankees (the two teams, I'd suggest, that are easiest to play off each other for a good return, unless you're a gm from minnesota), he may be better moving halladay this year for the safe return, rather than trying brinksmanship next year and gambling on an outstanding package vs not a very good return because he has to shift him. (although I suppose he'll always get the draft picks whatever).

I had a rare optimistic thought about Rube. He has a good record on arbitration, which is a not dissimilar process to a trade - he has to quantify the players ability and make a convincing case for their monetary worth. Granted, the arbiter is not another GM, but Rube should really be experienced at making a strong case for the package he wants to put forward.

Seth Everett was on WIP, and was told by a reliable source within the Angels organization, that the Jays would want Jered Weaver and Howie Kendrick plus two prospects.

LongDrive wrote:Seth Everett was on WIP, and was told by a reliable source within the Angels organization, that the Jays would want Jered Weaver and Howie Kendrick plus two prospects.

If this is the case don't expect Halladay to be anywhere but Toronto until his contract is up.

I am not sure I would do Jered Weaver straight up for Halladay at this point. Weaver is young still controllable for three more years and while he is not in Halladay's class now, he is knocking on the door of it. Having to add in Howie Kendrick (who is struggling now) and two prospects is just highway robbery.

BigEd76 wrote:The Rangers have interest and were supposedly told their package would need to start with Justin Smoak and Derek Holland and add from there. They're probably out of it anyway because of the stadium and because they don't want to add payroll...

Aren't they receiving money from MLB to keep them operating? Tom Hicks is basically bankrupt.

BigEd76 wrote:The Rangers have interest and were supposedly told their package would need to start with Justin Smoak and Derek Holland and add from there. They're probably out of it anyway because of the stadium and because they don't want to add payroll...

Didn't I read something along the lines that Texas is one place that Halladay said he didn't want to play, so NTC that.

The worst part about this is that we probably still have like two weeks of rumor and speculation before something actually happens. I don't know why but I really have a gut feeling that Halladay is going to be a Phillie before July 31st.

Which is greater Drabek or Knapp + Carrasco?

I guess what I am asking is if there is any way the Phillies could get the Jays off of a Drabek demand if that is what it comes down to.

scottdg wrote:Which is greater Drabek or Knapp + Carrasco?

I guess what I am asking is if there is any way the Phillies could get the Jays off of a Drabek demand if that is what it comes down to.

I read somewhere that they are not willing to deal Knapp either. However if I was Toronto I would take Knapp and Carrasco over Drabek any day of the work. Two potential top of the rotation guys are better than one.

I will enjoy Scott Rolen being a Phillies again

Warszawa wrote:I will enjoy Scott Rolen being a Phillies again

If it means we keep Drabek/Taylor/Brown, then I will too.

Pipedream.

The more I think about it, the more I would rather give Taylor and Brown than Drabek. Unfortunately, I doubt Toronto would do that since Wells and Rios are both locked up to 2014 and Snider is on the cusp. (my god, Riccardi has been a disaster of a GM).

I'd rather keep as many pitching prospects as possible. The Phils will not enter the FA pitching and/or trade markets except at the lower end with limited exposure, and we've seen what you get with that (eaton, garcia).

I would do Taylor, Brown, Donald, and a low-level arm or two, but Toronto won't.

More likely: Drabek, Marson, Donald, Carrasco

Personally, I think it's more important to keep position players. Injury and development speedbumps, I feel, tend to be less of a concern with position players. And we see how consistently competitive you can be with a solid core of hitters (Utley, Rollins, Howard, etc). You're more likely to get 5-10 years of solid production from a position player, IMO.

ek wrote:forgot to post this. listening to riccardi on xm home plate yesterday on the way home in an interview. he said 75-80% chance of not moving him at all

posturing

Werthless wrote:Personally, I think it's more important to keep position players. Injury and development speedbumps, I feel, tend to be less of a concern with position players. And we see how consistently competitive you can be with a solid core of hitters (Utley, Rollins, Howard, etc). You're more likely to get 5-10 years of solid production from a position player, IMO.

Certainly true, but that's also why the supply of position players available on the trade and FA market is (comparatively) significantly larger than for pitchers. I think the Phils will always be able and willing to pay for good corner outfielders. Pitchers, not so much.