2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping roles

Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby Rockinghorse » Thu Dec 05, 2019 08:51:47

I suspect it is true. They're hoping a new manager, a new legit starting pitcher and better injury luck will have us in the playoff race. It's the "hey, anything can happen" strategy.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby Squire » Thu Dec 05, 2019 09:08:43

I don't see much value in Gregorious but its not my money. I'd really prefer Betances and just going with a platoon of Brad Miller/somebody at 3B until Bohm is ready.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby 06hawkalum » Thu Dec 05, 2019 09:24:55

Squire wrote:I don't see much value in Gregorious but its not my money. I'd really prefer Betances and just going with a platoon of Brad Miller/somebody at 3B until Bohm is ready.


I predict a lot of “shoulda just kept Cesar” posts next season.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby ReadingPhilly » Thu Dec 05, 2019 09:25:37

don't think didi even fits if gelb's story is true.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby Uncle Milty » Thu Dec 05, 2019 09:33:41

06hawkalum wrote:
thephan wrote:Athletic article has spending season in Philadelphia coming to a close. It says the team is staying under the tax leaving about $20M. Odubel and Roberts create a financial drag limiting the clubs total cap at about $190M for the season. So it’s pieces from here forward.


If that's true then the FO has no intention of building a contending club for 2020.

Digging a deeper hole with portions of the fanbase as well.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby CalvinBall » Thu Dec 05, 2019 09:37:19

ReadingPhilly wrote:don't think didi even fits if gelb's story is true.


and do we even have anyone to play 3B?

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby Wheels Tupay » Thu Dec 05, 2019 09:43:54

CalvinBall wrote:
ReadingPhilly wrote:don't think didi even fits if gelb's story is true.


and do we even have anyone to play 3B?


They apparently believe Bohm is ready.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby Wheels Tupay » Thu Dec 05, 2019 09:44:33

06hawkalum wrote:
Squire wrote:I don't see much value in Gregorious but its not my money. I'd really prefer Betances and just going with a platoon of Brad Miller/somebody at 3B until Bohm is ready.


I predict a lot of “shoulda just kept Cesar” posts next season.


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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby phorever » Thu Dec 05, 2019 09:49:31

Squire wrote:I don't see much value in Gregorious but its not my money. I'd really prefer Betances and just going with a platoon of Brad Miller/somebody at 3B until Bohm is ready.


the problem with this strategy (and similar ones suggested by many others) is the assumption that bohm is ever going to be up to the job of playing 3b defense at the major league level. all professional scouting reports i've ever seen express serious doubts about that. i'm hoping that updates based on the latter part of this season will provide more reason for optimism, but the reports from the 2019 afl provided by our own azrider were not encouraging, since in those even his defense at 1b was suspect. in 2020, bohm is all too likely to be about 5% above average as a mlb hitter, but poor enough at defense at 3b to be replacement level overall like vladjr in 2019 (according to fwar, though not bwar) or franco in 2018 (according to bwar, though not fwar), or perhaps achieve the same level of disappointment with better offense and worse defense than those two examples.
outside payroll issues, one thing gregorius has over donaldson and rendon is that getting him allows the option of choosing between trading one of gregorius/kingery/segura or trading hoskins, or keeping all of the above (and trading bohm?), depending on how bohm develops over the next year. or are donaldson and rendon more passable at 2b or ss than i think?
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby ReadingPhilly » Thu Dec 05, 2019 09:55:40

phorever wrote:
Squire wrote:I don't see much value in Gregorious but its not my money. I'd really prefer Betances and just going with a platoon of Brad Miller/somebody at 3B until Bohm is ready.


the problem with this strategy (and similar ones suggested by many others) is the assumption that bohm is ever going to be up to the job of playing 3b defense at the major league level. all professional scouting reports i've ever seen express serious doubts about that. i'm hoping that updates based on the latter part of this season will provide more reason for optimism, but the reports from the 2019 afl provided by our own azrider were not encouraging, since in those even his defense at 1b was suspect. in 2020, bohm is all too likely to be about 5% above average as a mlb hitter, but poor enough at defense at 3b to be replacement level overall like vladjr in 2019 (according to fwar, though not bwar) or franco in 2018 (according to bwar, though not fwar), or perhaps achieve the same level of disappointment with better offense and worse defense than those two examples.
outside payroll issues, one thing gregorius has over donaldson and rendon is that getting him allows the option of choosing between trading one of gregorius/kingery/segura or trading hoskins, or keeping all of the above (and trading bohm?), depending on how bohm develops over the next year. or are donaldson and rendon more passable at 2b or ss than i think?


with more shifts and a fewer amount of balls being put in play, if they think he will mash then they'll send him out there.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby CalvinBall » Thu Dec 05, 2019 09:59:47

I think they still have to sign another starter. Guessing Miley or Ryu. Won't be huge money hopefully and would give us a lefty that we probably need.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby Titlehungry » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:02:06

Any thoughts on maybe Keuchel as the other starter the Phils sign?
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby Uncle Milty » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:02:21

Realmuto has experience at 3B. 1.000% FP too! Obviously this is why Knapp was retained.

I know it's a SSS but I'm sure our crack analytics department thoroughly examined JT's 6 innings of work at 3B in the GCL and determined it a viable option.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby The Sarge » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:14:27

Uncle Milty wrote:Realmuto has experience at 3B. 1.000% FP too! Obviously this is why Knapp was retained.

I know it's a SSS but I'm sure our crack analytics department thoroughly examined JT's 6 innings of work at 3B in the GCL and determined it a viable option.



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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby Stripes » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:25:14

CalvinBall wrote:
ReadingPhilly wrote:don't think didi even fits if gelb's story is true.


and do we even have anyone to play 3B?


Kingery 3B, Haseley/Quinn CF?
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby JFLNYC » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:27:03

Too bad the off-season is over.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby swishnicholson » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:33:08

A missed opportunity to title the thread, "Now who's on third?"
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby thephan » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:36:57

If Arrieta is even a little competent at pitching 2/3 of a game that would be huge.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby CalvinBall » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:40:47

Stripes wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:
ReadingPhilly wrote:don't think didi even fits if gelb's story is true.


and do we even have anyone to play 3B?


Kingery 3B, Haseley/Quinn CF?

Guess I was working under the assumption we trade Segura.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby CalvinBall » Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:41:42

JFLNYC wrote:Too bad the off-season is over.


No one is saying that. What we are saying is if we sign Didi and aren't spending money how does the infield shape out.

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