2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping roles

Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby thephan » Wed Dec 04, 2019 16:46:29

Grotewold wrote:
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Phillies are looking at my puppeteer's client Stephen Strasburg.


I do not see any world in which the Nats are not spending whatever it takes to keep him.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby MFP » Wed Dec 04, 2019 16:55:06

Steaks says Didi is the Phillies' "next free-agent focus" after getting Wheeler done.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby Shore » Wed Dec 04, 2019 17:04:45

MFP wrote:Steaks says Didi is the Phillies' "next free-agent focus" after getting Wheeler done.


Man, I hope the contract is decent, and short.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby Titlehungry » Wed Dec 04, 2019 17:12:04

I still want the out of the blue star trade for Bryant, Lindor, etc...
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby heyeaglefn » Wed Dec 04, 2019 17:12:52

Shore wrote:
MFP wrote:Steaks says Didi is the Phillies' "next free-agent focus" after getting Wheeler done.


Man, I hope the contract is decent, and short.

Guessing 3 for 45.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby Wheels Tupay » Wed Dec 04, 2019 17:25:23

heyeaglefn wrote:
Shore wrote:
MFP wrote:Steaks says Didi is the Phillies' "next free-agent focus" after getting Wheeler done.


Man, I hope the contract is decent, and short.

Guessing 3 for 45.


really should have just kept cesar instead
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby MFP » Wed Dec 04, 2019 17:36:03

heyeaglefn wrote:
Shore wrote:
MFP wrote:Steaks says Didi is the Phillies' "next free-agent focus" after getting Wheeler done.


Man, I hope the contract is decent, and short.

Guessing 3 for 45.

Fangraphs has about that. Kiley McDaniel had 3/$48M and their median crowdsourced guess was 3/$45M.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby Ace Rothstein » Wed Dec 04, 2019 17:43:24

MFP wrote:
heyeaglefn wrote:
Shore wrote:
MFP wrote:Steaks says Didi is the Phillies' "next free-agent focus" after getting Wheeler done.


Man, I hope the contract is decent, and short.

Guessing 3 for 45.

Fangraphs has about that. Kiley McDaniel had 3/$48M and their median crowdsourced guess was 3/$45M.


What did McDaniel have for Wheeler? Bowden had 4/74 for him

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby MFP » Wed Dec 04, 2019 17:48:41

Ace Rothstein wrote:
MFP wrote:
heyeaglefn wrote:
Shore wrote:
MFP wrote:Steaks says Didi is the Phillies' "next free-agent focus" after getting Wheeler done.


Man, I hope the contract is decent, and short.

Guessing 3 for 45.

Fangraphs has about that. Kiley McDaniel had 3/$48M and their median crowdsourced guess was 3/$45M.


What did McDaniel have for Wheeler? Bowden had 4/74 for him

4/$68M. Probably a bit more of a market developed for Wheeler than for Didi.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby Ace Rothstein » Wed Dec 04, 2019 17:52:33

A well developed market indeed

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby MFP » Wed Dec 04, 2019 17:55:40

Ace Rothstein wrote:A well developed market indeed

FWIW, these were the notes on Wheeler:
Kiley’s Take
Wheeler was notably too high on this list for some and too low for others, either because he isn’t seen as a frontline type or because his 2018-19 performance and the fact that he’ll open 2020 in his 20s is too much to ignore. It’s probably either three or four years, depending on how the starting pitching market comes together, in the $15-20 million AAV range.

Player Notes
Tell someone in 2013 that Zack Wheeler would be a prized free agent in 2019, and they’d be shocked — didn’t the Mets extend their ace? Tell someone in 2017 that Zack Wheeler would be a prized free agent in 2019, and they’d be shocked — didn’t injuries ruin him? But here we are in 2019, and Zack Wheeler is a prized free agent. His last two years have been both consistent and effective: more than 180 innings, a FIP- in the low 80s, and strikeout and walk numbers better than league average. His raw run prevention numbers are flattered by pitcher-friendly Citi Field, but even accounting for that, he’s been worth 8.9 WAR and 7.1 RA9-WAR over that stretch. That places him ninth among all starters (23rd in RA9-WAR), between Charlie Morton and Aaron Nola. Of course, injury concerns are never far away with Wheeler — he missed time with shoulder fatigue in July — but when he’s healthy, his arsenal (a high-90s fastball, a low-90s slider) and results resemble a slightly lower-end Jacob deGrom’s. If any pitcher on this list out-produces Cole and Strasburg next year, I think it’s likely Wheeler (though he’s still not that likely to do it). – BC

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby PTOITWCFTPP » Wed Dec 04, 2019 18:57:59

Hope Klentak doesn’t drag out signing Cole until March
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby Uncle Milty » Wed Dec 04, 2019 19:02:10

Still need 2 more difference makers. Gotta break the tax ceiling if they want to contend in 2020.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby Stay_Disappointed » Wed Dec 04, 2019 21:03:38

Uncle Milty wrote:Still need 2 more difference makers. Gotta break the tax ceiling if they want to contend in 2020.


Some difference makers may not yet be obvious

looking at you DREW SMYLY
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby GrizzledVeteran » Wed Dec 04, 2019 21:41:40

How about Martin Prado as a placeholder at 3B until Bohm is ready? I know he was talking about retiring but maybe he could be convinced otherwise.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby Uncle Milty » Wed Dec 04, 2019 21:57:51

He's been pretty bad recently. Just bring Miller back if they're calling Bohm up in May or June.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby bleh » Wed Dec 04, 2019 22:02:16

Franco would be better than Prado

They also have Josh Harrison who possibly could be ok

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby mcare89 » Wed Dec 04, 2019 22:23:29

The guy I'd want as a placeholder would be Travis Shaw. He was absolutely awful last year, which is why he got non-tendered, but the two years prior he was a well above-average regular. Worth a shot as a reclamation project, if he works out, you've got a steal (who has also previously played 1st and 2nd if you want to call Bohm up anyway), and if not, you're probably calling up Bohm anyway so you've only got to patch up the position for a couple months.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby thephan » Thu Dec 05, 2019 07:06:36

Athletic article has spending season in Philadelphia coming to a close. It says the team is staying under the tax leaving about $20M. Odubel and Roberts create a financial drag limiting the clubs total cap at about $190M for the season. So it’s pieces from here forward.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby 06hawkalum » Thu Dec 05, 2019 08:18:30

thephan wrote:Athletic article has spending season in Philadelphia coming to a close. It says the team is staying under the tax leaving about $20M. Odubel and Roberts create a financial drag limiting the clubs total cap at about $190M for the season. So it’s pieces from here forward.


If that's true then the FO has no intention of building a contending club for 2020.
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