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Postby MoBettle » Thu Dec 05, 2019 16:13:26

Or arrieta
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby JFLNYC » Thu Dec 05, 2019 16:31:01

Or if we had more and better younger players.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby CFP » Thu Dec 05, 2019 16:40:35

Or if we didn't even exist as a baseball franchise until today

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby Uncle Milty » Thu Dec 05, 2019 17:21:53

or if we FIRE KLENTAK!
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby Werthless » Thu Dec 05, 2019 17:33:15

Squire wrote:I'm the idiot who thinks Brad Miller is worth re-signing to play 3B and mash righties.

I'm onboard, but I'm also optimistic on Bohm and Kingery, moreso than on pitching. Frees up money to spend elsewhere.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby Stripes » Thu Dec 05, 2019 17:47:57

ek wrote:or all of that

are they really going to keep Herrera around?


I don't know if they're going to keep him around, but unless they can find someone else to take him off their hands, they're still stuck paying him :x
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby Bucky » Thu Dec 05, 2019 18:17:31

gr wrote:braves gave cole 1/18, zolecki says we offered half that.




1/36 ?


(math joke)

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby JFLNYC » Thu Dec 05, 2019 18:45:26

This is what it’s come to.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby rolex » Thu Dec 05, 2019 18:59:10

From what we saw of Smyly in September, he’d be worth an offer. He finally seemed to be recovered from his surgery. Put him with Price and he could end up being the back of the rotation lefty that the club needs.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby PhillieMooDo » Thu Dec 05, 2019 19:12:40

Bucky wrote:
gr wrote:braves gave cole 1/18, zolecki says we offered half that.




1/36 ?


(math joke)

Nice!
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby Bill McNeal » Thu Dec 05, 2019 20:23:50


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Zack Wheeler was at 96.7 mph last season, 95.9 the year before.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby Bucky » Thu Dec 05, 2019 20:45:38


Corey Seidman
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The Phillies have *never* had a starting pitcher throw 100+ innings in a season and average at least 95 mph with his fastball. (Pivetta & Velasquez were the closest.)

Zack Wheeler was at 96.7 mph last season, 95.9 the year before.


ffs nerd boy when did they start keeping velocity stats

i'm sure wayne twitchell did that 4 or 5 times

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby ReadingPhilly » Thu Dec 05, 2019 21:23:10

the good phight's alex carr (who i don't think has any connections) says they might try to attach a prospect to arrieta and move him at the winter meetings.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby joe table » Thu Dec 05, 2019 21:23:58

ReadingPhilly wrote:the good phight's alex carr (who i don't think has any connections) says they might try to attach a prospect to arrieta and move him at the winter meetings.


Who is dumb enough to take him? Would need to pay most of his salary I’d guess

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby Bill McNeal » Thu Dec 05, 2019 21:51:24

Yeah, had that thought earlier today because the deal was front loaded and thought it might be easier to move since the tax hit is higher than the cash outlay. Then I looked it up, Arrieta is due $20m and has a $25m tax hit. Not sure how the tax works in this situation if you retain salary, can we pay half his salary and clear $15m in tax space?
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby bleh » Thu Dec 05, 2019 22:20:45

They could trade him for someone bad who is owed $20M, but it's spread out over 2+ years. Then they can get more space under the tax penalty this year. One candidate i see like that is Jeurys Familia. He had a 5.70 ERA last year and he's owed $23 million over 2 years.

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby swishnicholson » Fri Dec 06, 2019 00:45:44

Stripes wrote:
ek wrote:or all of that

are they really going to keep Herrera around?


I don't know if they're going to keep him around, but unless they can find someone else to take him off their hands, they're still stuck paying him :x


I'm pretty sure that even if they do get someone to take him off their hands, they'll be stuck paying for most of him. In fact, seems the most likely scenario.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby gr » Fri Dec 06, 2019 02:32:28

I have hated every single day of the Arrieta signing.
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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby joe table » Fri Dec 06, 2019 02:45:32

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Re: 2019-20 Phillies Offseason 2:Filling holes & swapping ro

Postby phorever » Fri Dec 06, 2019 04:43:00

judging from all published media reports and management quotes this offseason, it looks to me like the rest of the plan is
(1) sign didi, which they are fairly confident of doing
(2) make a serious, but not insane (stupid) offer to cole, because they are willing to go over the cap limit if and only if the player that puts them over is cole. however, they don't expect to win the bidding without paying him an insane salary.
(3) if didi is signed, meaning kingery is more available as a cf backup plan, trade obubel and all of his salary for a ptbnl. i think that they think they have a decent chance of succeeding and that, if they don't sign cole, this will put them around the $190million (tax-accounting) payroll.
(4) work simultaneously on identifying trade options and 3rd (or 4th)-tier fa options for acquiring at least one more starting pitcher for under $10 million aav, hoping for something like last year's acquisitions of mike minor by the rangers or of odorizzi by the twins (.... but maybe settling for the likes of smyly and vargas.... sigh...)
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