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Postby Woody » Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:20:48

Shouldn't God have struck him down right there for praying to win a bet while in a casino?
you sure do seem to have a lot of time on your hands to be on this forum? Do you have a job? Are you a shut-in?

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Postby The Red Tornado » Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:23:57

seke2 wrote:First big hand of the day is going.

Childs raised to 700k UTG, Yang made it 2.5m UTG+1, Childs eventually called as Yang was staring directly at him.

Childs lead 3m on the flop and Yang instantly moved all-in to cover Childs.

Childs tanked for a VERY long time, stared Jerry down, tried to talk to Jerry a little who didn't move or look at him at all. Eventually Childs folded, showing QQ.

Yang did not show and scooped a huge pot worth over 11m.


I so want to see what Yang had in this hand- imagine if Childs calls him here and busts him, youd have a completely different game.
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Postby seke2 » Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:29:41

The Red Tornado wrote:
seke2 wrote:First big hand of the day is going.

Childs raised to 700k UTG, Yang made it 2.5m UTG+1, Childs eventually called as Yang was staring directly at him.

Childs lead 3m on the flop and Yang instantly moved all-in to cover Childs.

Childs tanked for a VERY long time, stared Jerry down, tried to talk to Jerry a little who didn't move or look at him at all. Eventually Childs folded, showing QQ.

Yang did not show and scooped a huge pot worth over 11m.


I so want to see what Yang had in this hand- imagine if Childs calls him here and busts him, youd have a completely different game.

Me too. His mannerisms were SO different on this hand than most. Usually, when Yang played a hand, he put his face in his hands and looked down. During the part I watched, this was the ONLY hand where Yang was acting like this and I thought it was a classic strong means weak tell. I felt Childs should have put in a third bet preflop, or called and check/raised all-in on almost any flop.
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Postby The Red Tornado » Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:31:42

If anything Yang's play taught us that unmitigated aggression pays well at the final table when no one wants to be the 1st out.
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Postby Alt » Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:24:24

The Red Tornado wrote:If anything Yang's play taught us that unmitigated aggression pays well at the final table when no one wants to be the 1st out.


I was following the hand by hand coverage for awhile last night and couldn't believe how many times the Russian guy called a decent size PF raise from Yang then check folded. He pissed away millions of chips doing this....either tighten up PF or come over the top once in awhile.

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Postby seke2 » Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:31:57

Alt wrote:
The Red Tornado wrote:If anything Yang's play taught us that unmitigated aggression pays well at the final table when no one wants to be the 1st out.


I was following the hand by hand coverage for awhile last night and couldn't believe how many times the Russian guy called a decent size PF raise from Yang then check folded. He pissed away millions of chips doing this....either tighten up PF or come over the top once in awhile.

I really feel like NOBODY properly adjusted to Yang.

1) He couldn't fold a pair. Don't bluff a guy who can't fold any piece of the board. I'm almost positive he made Childs fold a better hand early on in that hand Brian and I said we want to see where Childs folded QQ face up.

2) He was relentlessly aggressive. If you checked to him in a pot postflop, he bet. If you bet at him and he had any sort of hand, he raised.

3) He made was making many overly large preflop raises.

Basically, people needed to raise him more aggressively preflop instead of just calling his raises and folding postflop. Against a player that aggressive and who will go broke with such marginal holdings, you basically just need to tighten up and play your premium hands very strong and fast. You have to play a hand like TPTK postflop like it is the mortal nuts. You do not bluff or semi-bluff very much. Basically, you play straightforward tight ABC poker and also value bet hands you might normally not value bet. And considering that the blinds were basically NEVER so high until it was down to 2 players that either player was truly short-stacked, there was enough time to play that style.
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Postby The Red Tornado » Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:34:20

why didnt your 2+2 boy Rain adjust this way?



(nice to know how to play Duane, BTW)
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Postby The Red Tornado » Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:49:56

Quote from Yang says it all...


"I've seen the miracles of God with my own eyes," Yang said. "I did a lot of bluffing, also."
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Postby seke2 » Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:56:39

The Red Tornado wrote:why didnt your 2+2 boy Rain adjust this way?



(nice to know how to play Duane, BTW)

Just because someone has made a few posts at 2+2 it doesn't mean he's a good theorist.

But in fairness, I think Khan did adjust properly.

He didn't play all that many pots, so I suspect he was playing mostly good hands. When he did play, he usually played fast and aggressive. He won hands 32 and 33 with preflop resteals by moving all-in over a raise. He mostly stayed out of pots that Yang was in. He also didn't raise many pots when Yang was left to act behind him. He made a gambly play against Kravchecko when he isolated him with 33, but I think that's a good adjustment on a table where he might not get many spots to make a play.

When he finally did go bust, he reraised Yang preflop with AQ and got it all-in. Yang just happened to have JJ. But as we saw with Yang at other spots, he was bad (or crazy) enough to call all-ins with stuff like A9 and J8 and KQ, so you know he's bad enough to call Khan with worse aces.
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Postby The Red Tornado » Thu Jul 19, 2007 10:13:08

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Postby pacino » Thu Jul 19, 2007 17:59:30

ugh
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Postby Disco Stu » Thu Jul 19, 2007 19:25:23

Good stuff!
Check The Good Phight, you might learn something.

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Postby The Red Tornado » Fri Jul 20, 2007 13:06:36

Upcoming poker events:


Tommorrow at 6PM- Tourney in Pennsberg PA


8/4 6PM Tourney at my house in North Wales


9/1 6PM Cash game NLHE .50/1 blinds at my house


Late September is the tourney at seke's house



PM me for details if interested


Hope to see some new blood soon
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Postby The Red Tornado » Fri Jul 20, 2007 13:08:06

Woody promised to be at the 8/4 game BTW- he said if he doesnt show he'll post naked pics of his wife.
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Postby seke2 » Fri Jul 20, 2007 13:39:06

So there's no chance of getting mixed games played for that cash game at your place? :-D
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Postby The Red Tornado » Fri Jul 20, 2007 13:42:08

seke2 wrote:So there's no chance of getting mixed games played for that cash game at your place? :-D


I wouldnt be opposed but I doubt I could get a tablefull of people willing to play HORSE or whatever. Who knows if I get enough people for 2 tables maybe we can get enough to be interested. Personally I hate razz and stud games.
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Postby seke2 » Fri Jul 20, 2007 13:45:35

Okay. Just thought it might fun for some variety.
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Postby pacino » Fri Jul 20, 2007 17:45:07

The Red Tornado wrote:
seke2 wrote:So there's no chance of getting mixed games played for that cash game at your place? :-D


I wouldnt be opposed but I doubt I could get a tablefull of people willing to play HORSE or whatever. Who knows if I get enough people for 2 tables maybe we can get enough to be interested. Personally I hate razz and stud games.

dealer's choice, with no baseball/follow the queen type of games?

dealer can choose between 7 card stud hi/lo, stud hi, razz, limit hold em, nl hold em, omaha hi, omaha hi/lo, 2-7 triple draw, 5 card draw

seriously, wouldn't that be awesome?



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Postby The Red Tornado » Fri Jul 20, 2007 18:03:01

Like i said, if we have enough interested I have no problem with it- I just suck at stud games like razz and 7 card.
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Postby The Red Tornado » Fri Jul 20, 2007 21:04:47

1st hand I get at tourney A of the daily double are pocket aces and Im BB, it gets folded to me.... :x
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