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post from trt:

weird math question for sekebot


Youre at the final table at the main event. It's down to three people and youre all almost dead even in chips. Then the flukiest hand happens. Youre BB and get AA, The button raises and the SB reraises and you go all in and then both of them call. They have AA (SB)and KK (button). The board comes Q J T 9 8 all hearts. The button has the K of hearts so he scoops the entire pot but you and the SB end up playing the board and chopping the miniscule pot of 20K. (you each get 10K)


So alas your chgances of winning the main event are next to nothing.

BUT the good news is that youre on the button now and the other small stack guy is now in the BB and forced all in. (lets say the blinds are 50/100K and antes are 5K) Since 3rd is 3 million and 2nd is 6 million, youre playing for 3 million against the other short stack, which is quite a difference.

So the question-

what hands do you play your last chip with? Is it more than just figuring out which hands have a greater than 50% chance of winning against two random hands?

You Klingon bastard!! That was my thread!! Mine!! MIne!!


I'll get you pacino!!!

My cards were on complete fire during a SnG last night. AA twice, KK twice, AKs twice, QQ, 77 twice, pocket 4s, lots of suited connectors. I've never seen anything like it, it was the quickest Sit and Go I've ever played.

For TRT's hypothetical...

I'm pretty sure you just ignore the bigstack and play as if he didn't exist.

Assuming that the 2 shortstack players will get 2nd/3rd if they both are knocked out on the same hand and started with an equal stack based on which of the two ends up with the better hand (even though there is no sidepot), you play any hand with > 50% equity against a random hand.

Again, this assumes that say Hero has KK, Bigstack has AA, and other shortie has QQ and the board comes 23468 or somthing like that, Bigstack wins the pot (and the tournament) but Hero gets 2nd outright since KK > QQ, even though both Hero and shortie started the hand with 10k chips exactly and there was no sidepot.

If it ends up being a tie for 2nd/3rd, it probably makes less sense to play any top 50% hand because you have less to gain and you need to beat two players. On the other hand, you can just fold and there's already a 50% chance that you will get 2nd place money by the other shortie being busted right there. And even if he does double up, you could still double up again the next hand when you're forced in the BB and come back. So there I'm playing a pretty wide range, but I'd want a LITTLE more equity because now my 3-way equity matters too, not just my HU equity against the other shortie.

I think.

That was a weird hypothetical.

pacino in case you didnt notice this site doesnt "get" new posters :roll: :roll: :roll:

seke2 wrote:For TRT's hypothetical...

I'm pretty sure you just ignore the bigstack and play as if he didn't exist.

Assuming that the 2 shortstack players will get 2nd/3rd if they both are knocked out on the same hand and started with an equal stack based on which of the two ends up with the better hand (even though there is no sidepot), you play any hand with > 50% equity against a random hand.

Again, this assumes that say Hero has KK, Bigstack has AA, and other shortie has QQ and the board comes 23468 or somthing like that, Bigstack wins the pot (and the tournament) but Hero gets 2nd outright since KK > QQ, even though both Hero and shortie started the hand with 10k chips exactly and there was no sidepot.

If it ends up being a tie for 2nd/3rd, it probably makes less sense to play any top 50% hand because you have less to gain and you need to beat two players. On the other hand, you can just fold and there's already a 50% chance that you will get 2nd place money by the other shortie being busted right there. And even if he does double up, you could still double up again the next hand when you're forced in the BB and come back. So there I'm playing a pretty wide range, but I'd want a LITTLE more equity because now my 3-way equity matters too, not just my HU equity against the other shortie.

I think.

That was a weird hypothetical.

you know Im sorry I forgot that if the 2 shorties go out on the same hand it would be a chop- so lets say you have 15K and the other guy has 20K.

Does that make a difference?

Yes, now you fold any 2 assuming the BB is forced in, I'm pretty sure.

Rofl.

Is this like New Coke?

i once bluffed this guy and he bought it
stupid guy

new coke = lohan

old coke = everyone in the 80s

anybody watch the Aussie Millions?

This dope named Jimmy Fricke apparently wanted to play pros because he considered them weak and tight...

Watching Joe Hachem vs. Joe Hanna in the WPT final. Just saw my high school obsession interview Daniel Negreanu

pacino wrote:anybody watch the Aussie Millions?

This dope named Jimmy Fricke apparently wanted to play pros because he considered them weak and tight...

I liked it when he said he would have been intimidated by Patrik Antonius, but that he knew Gus Hansen's game, and wasn't scared at all.

Then Hansen murdered him.

Shore wrote:

pacino wrote:anybody watch the Aussie Millions?

This dope named Jimmy Fricke apparently wanted to play pros because he considered them weak and tight...

I liked it when he said he would have been intimidated by Patrik Antonius, but that he knew Gus Hansen's game, and wasn't scared at all.

Then Hansen murdered him.

he is one of seke's 2+2 buddies, not even legal for US poker

pacino wrote:

Shore wrote:

pacino wrote:anybody watch the Aussie Millions?

This dope named Jimmy Fricke apparently wanted to play pros because he considered them weak and tight...

I liked it when he said he would have been intimidated by Patrik Antonius, but that he knew Gus Hansen's game, and wasn't scared at all.

Then Hansen murdered him.

he is one of seke's 2+2 buddies, not even legal for US poker

Whatever dude, Gobboboy (Jimmy Fricke) played that table REALLY well. He outplayed Gus, he just didn't beat him. He outplayed the entire table. He basically just owned the entire table until it was HU. Jimmy is one of the better players and the better poker strategists around right now. Once he's 21, he's going to own the US tounament circuit too. Kid is a natural.

I didnt see the final table, but from what Ive read Gobboboy is going to be one of the best. It's scary how a whole new generation of young interent players are coming on the scene and tearing it up at such an early age. (just look at what Jeff Madsen did at the WSOP)They get more experience in a year of online poker than a B&M player can get in 5-10 years.

and seke's right- you don't think Moneymaker's better than Farha because he beat him HU in one match, do you?

Disco Stu wrote:Rofl.

Is this like New Coke?

Geez, I miss a day or two of action here and there is a whole new Poker thread - serves me right for not having a wireless modem. Will TRT's thread sue Pacino's thread?

this new thread feels like a brand new sofa.... terrible