seke2 wrote:preflop you should raise more for lots of reasons, mostly because you want to make your opponents to make mistakes and you don't want to play a multi-way pot with JJ when a lot of the time at least 1 overcard will flop, and it's a lot easier to win a pot when you don't have to dodge every card in the deck.

when you bet the flop, that's fine. but that is a totally drawless board. if i bet with something less than AQ/KQ on that board and got called, i'd shut it down. literally, what hand calls a bet on that board other than something better than JJ? especially in a multi-way pot against someone who raised preflop. i mean, other than MAYBE 88-TT, there are 0 hands most people who call your bet with considering there appear to be no flush or straight draws possible.

once your flop bet is called, shut it down.

as played, after the turn bet is called, REALLY shut it down. your opponent isn't going away.

and the river is the worst possible card because now if your opponent was floating around with AQ or something or even floating with AK/AJ/who knows what, they can't possibly fold. bluffing a 3rd time is ridiculous because obviously there are no draws, there have been no draws, no worse hand is calling your action, and your opponent has called twice so far.

so basically, raise to 25 or 30 preflop, cbet the flop, stop putting chips into the pot once that gets called.

Good stuff and all stuff I agree with in hindsight. I just way too aggressive with the hand and couldn't let it go at the end. I guess I saw myself as crippled with only 80 chips left so I'd take one last stab with it. Also, I was really thrown off by the fact that he never raised me. I mean there was at least a chance (in his eyes) that I had a set, right, or did my mild pre-flop raise give that away?

traderdave wrote:Also, I was really thrown off by the fact that he never raised me. I mean there was at least a chance (in his eyes) that I had a set, right, or did my mild pre-flop raise give that away?

You overestimated your opponent- with amateur poker- players dont do what they're "suposed" to do. As I said before, he shouldve reraised preflop in the 1st place instead of seeing a flop with 4 players with Kings. He couldve easily gotten himself in a really bad spot and since he taught himself that he got a big pot from that stupidity maybe you can exploit him at a future date.

The Red Tornado wrote:

traderdave wrote:Also, I was really thrown off by the fact that he never raised me. I mean there was at least a chance (in his eyes) that I had a set, right, or did my mild pre-flop raise give that away?

You overestimated your opponent- with amateur poker- players dont do what they're "suposed" to do. As I said before, he shouldve reraised preflop in the 1st place instead of seeing a flop with 4 players with Kings. He couldve easily gotten himself in a really bad spot and since he taught himself that he got a big pot from that stupidity maybe you can exploit him at a future date.

Agreed. I watched him the rest of the night and he really was not a strong player (not that I am but I'm willing to bet that I'd beat him most nights). Of course, the guy ended up winning the tournament calling an 800 chip all-in with Q4 against K8 and flopping xQ4.

The Red Tornado wrote:

traderdave wrote:Also, I was really thrown off by the fact that he never raised me. I mean there was at least a chance (in his eyes) that I had a set, right, or did my mild pre-flop raise give that away?

You overestimated your opponent- with amateur poker- players dont do what they're "suposed" to do. As I said before, he shouldve reraised preflop in the 1st place instead of seeing a flop with 4 players with Kings. He couldve easily gotten himself in a really bad spot and since he taught himself that he got a big pot from that stupidity maybe you can exploit him at a future date.

exactly.

and while 80 chips left isn't a good stack, the fact is you would have had a MUCH better chance check/folding the river and preserving those 80 chips than you did putting them into a pot where you pretty much knew you were getting called and were going to lose.

80 chips is better than 0 chips, especially when you played a guy that won't be the type to make a play at a pot by smooth-calling on the flop to setup a bluff later. You were dead on teh flop after that call, and needed that ace to come on teh turn to have any shot.

Still, betting 30 preflop then 45 on the flop is probably a smart decision regardless of what your opponent has. If he's got you beat, bow out with your tail between your legs and live to fight another day.

Got clocked again cause I suck. Here are the few major hands I remember...

Hand #1:

Pocket Qs. I raise 2X and 2 callers. J J 7 flop, I bet, one caller. 4 on turn. I bet, he calls. 6 on the river. I bet, he goes all in. I fold. I can't imagine calling there.

Hand #2:

I limp with J 9 . Flop is 10 10 8 . He bets pot, I call. Turn is 9 . He goes all in pot. I used my time. This is most of my chips. Can I fold this? 4 for the straight flush, 4 for any flush, 4 for any straight and a pair that can be tripped or even 2 pair. Well, I call, he has pocket Aces and a 7 hits on the river. Lucky, and I presume I played that right, but I was like 25 out of 500+ at the time and he was like 40 or so.

Hand #3:

BB with 8 and 4 and saw flop for free. Flop is 8 8 q . Check, check. Turn is 5 , I bet pot, he goes 2X and I go all in and he calls. He has K and 8 and J hits the river. I presume this is just a hand you can't win nor can you get away from.

Hand #4:

Pocket 10s and the flop is J J 8 . I had raised 2X preflop and came out betting on flop and he calls. Turn is 4 , I bet, he goes all in and I fold. Good move there? He did tell me what he had (assuming he wasn't lying, KJ).

Hand #5:

This one killed me and knocked me from #11 with 220 left to almost out. Sigh. On BB, I call 2X with J and 10 . Flop is 7 9 8 . I check, he bets, I raise and he goes all in and I call. He has A K . Turn is 5 river is Q . I was pretty much done after that.

Hand #6:

This was just a figures hand and took me out all together after I made a little bit of a run. A Q called afer 2X preflop. Flop is Q 10 4 . He bets small, I raise and he goes all in. I was short stack and called. He had K K . 9 on turn and 3 on river and I was left with my hand in my pants.

Anyone think I played any of those wrong? Obscenely wrong? I am just about out of cash on my Full Tilt account and about to just hand up my cards forever.

seems fine, but why do you raise so little preflop? 2x the blind is pricing hte blinds

you didn't really provide positions or extensive chip/pot counts, but I'd gather that the guys that hit on the river had odds to call?

pacino wrote:seems fine, but why do you raise so little preflop? 2x the blind is pricing hte blinds

you didn't really provide positions or extensive chip/pot counts, but I'd gather that the guys that hit on the river had odds to call?

I try to mix up my raises a bit so I am not giving off my hands. I wish I had raised more on the QQ, but that is hindsight now.

why not try raising the same whether you have aa or qq or 23 or whatever? that would be certainly concealing your hands

so would smoothcalling someone's raise while you're in position

raising in late position with a very good hand could conceal it somewhat, because many players might think you're just trying to steal

I also hate raising too much preflop with QQ, JJ or 1010. I'd rather be able to get out of a hand cheaply than having a monster hand call and wiping me out. I think those hands are the toughest to play, so, if I play them cheaply then I can get out.

The best way to conceal your strength is to always raise the same amount preflop. You should at least raise 3 times the blinds.

The last hand you should have just pushed all in preflop. When you have less than 10 times the blind in a tourney- you should just be pushing all in when you enter a pot.

If youre busting this quickly then you arent bank rolled high enough or playing above your bank roll.

by the way, if anyone wants to watch FT player Hevad Khan play 26 sit and gos at once...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X61dIrAmrz4&mode=related&search=[/youtube]

seke2 wrote:by the way, if anyone wants to watch FT player Hevad Khan play 26 sit and gos at once...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X61dIrAmrz4&mode=related&search=[/youtube]

He is annoying, son!

Final Table starts in 10 minutes- anyone get the PPV?

Nope, not gonna be around much tonight and I'm too lazy to watch a 16 hour thing recorded on DVR. I'll just read the recaps and stuff.

I'll predict they finish play at 5 AM local time.

My goodness, you are the busiest man (especially considering you have no children)- when do you have time to play poker?

The Red Tornado wrote:My goodness, you are the busiest man (especially considering you have no children)- when do you have time to play poker?

I don't play nearly as much as I want. I play when I can. I'll sneak in a few orbits of NL$100 or whatever when I'm relaxing sometimes, or play a STT or two when I have a little more time. Tonight I have a golf league league match and I usually wouldn't even be home until 9 PM after that, so I really can't watch it live.

Also, if I DVR'd the PPV, then I'd have to watch it on our good TV and as much as my fiancee loves me, I don't think she'd take too kindly to the idea of me holding the TV captive to watch 16 hours of poker.

so don't record all 16 hours continuously on one program, make it smaller nuggets to digest and watch it over time

Regardless of my decision to PPV or not (and if a notable pro had been in it, I might have, but I really don't care who wins this thing though I guess I'm rooting for Khan)...

Cards are in the air and the FT of the ME is underway.

www.pokernews.com seems to be giving hand by hand reporting.

http://www.pokernews.com/live-reporting ... it-holdem/

Not much has happened yet.

So, uhm, there is a free quasi-legal way to watch this on the internet using IE.

www.channelsurfing.net

scroll down and click on the WSOP Main Event.