seke2 wrote:

traderdave wrote:

philliesr98 wrote:but for real, he must have honestly thought he was busting sammy farha in the first hand of the tourney..... that would make me atleast stop and think for a second, is Sammy actually risking goin out on the first hand....???

That was actually painful to watch even when you know whats coming. I guess he figured Sammy had trip Aces, at best? It would suck to get knocked out on the very first hand but it isn't as if he totally screwed it up. Crap happens, right?

Yeah, it's a brutal board too, because Sammy reasonably could have AK or AQ or even AJ, but honestly, Sammy probably doesn't move all-in with any of those hands on the first hand of the ME. Basically, if I'm playing against Sammy there, I think his hand range is roughly exactly AT. And maybe AA. It can't be TT because we have a T. There's literally 0 other hands a really good pro would play that way against a relatively unknown player.

From a practically standpoint, I'd probably fold just so I wasn't the first guy out Of course, the opportunity to say I knocked Sam Farha out on the first hand of the ME might be too much for my ego to pass up.

It's tough to say if I'd lay that hand down. I know for sure that in the regular tourney I play in, I would definitely lose my chips.

The Red Tornado wrote:It's tough to say if I'd lay that hand down. I know for sure that in the regular tourney I play in, I would definitely lose my chips.

Obviously. Because in anything you'd play, your opponent has AK or AQ or AJ most of the time.

But in a structure as deep as the WSOP ME, against a player with Sammy's abilities, with him knowing nothing about you on the first hand, you should be able to put his range on roughly 2 possible hands after he moves all-in if you're Hudson, and both of those hands beat your TT.

seke2 wrote:

traderdave wrote:

philliesr98 wrote:but for real, he must have honestly thought he was busting sammy farha in the first hand of the tourney..... that would make me atleast stop and think for a second, is Sammy actually risking goin out on the first hand....???

That was actually painful to watch even when you know whats coming. I guess he figured Sammy had trip Aces, at best? It would suck to get knocked out on the very first hand but it isn't as if he totally screwed it up. Crap happens, right?

Yeah, it's a brutal board too, because Sammy reasonably could have AK or AQ or even AJ, but honestly, Sammy probably doesn't move all-in with any of those hands on the first hand of the ME. Basically, if I'm playing against Sammy there, I think his hand range is roughly exactly AT. And maybe AA. It can't be TT because we have a T. There's literally 0 other hands a really good pro would play that way against a relatively unknown player.

Would you really put him on only AT with the way that hand played out? Farha raised PF to 200 and Hudson reraised a little more than minimum to 450 (not raising more was probably his biggest mistake in this hand). The flop comes out AAT and it checks around. On the turn a Q comes and Hudson bets out 300 and Farha raises to 1300 (not sure if it was a checkraise or not, I couldn't tell who had position). I think there is a much larger range of hands that Farha would raise that turn with than just AT or AQ. He could have very easily had air or a naked A, T, Q or even KJ trying to push Hudson off of(or get value out of) KK, JJ, 99 or even AK.

Since Hudson ended up pushing there that was the only real opportunity for him to get much info on Farha's hand. With the action the way it was I really don't see how you could narrow his range down that much. If Hudson had raised to 3500 or so then Farha 4-bet him all in THEN you could put him on AT or AQ....but I don't think you can assume he has 2nd or 3rd nuts just because he put ~15% of his stack in the pot (after he insta-calls your allin, yeah you can assume your in trouble).

seke2 wrote:

The Red Tornado wrote:It's tough to say if I'd lay that hand down. I know for sure that in the regular tourney I play in, I would definitely lose my chips.

Obviously. Because in anything you'd play, your opponent has AK or AQ or AJ most of the time.

But in a structure as deep as the WSOP ME, against a player with Sammy's abilities, with him knowing nothing about you on the first hand, you should be able to put his range on roughly 2 possible hands after he moves all-in if you're Hudson, and both of those hands beat your TT.

Didnt the money get in on the turn (a Q)? I remember thinking the first time I saw it that he mightve gotten saved by the Q as an AQ also beats him. (which is something Im sure Sammy didnt want to see either).

EDIT- I see the post above now and they did get the money in on the turn.

Alt wrote:Would you really put him on only AT with the way that hand played out? Farha raised PF to 200 and Hudson reraised a little more than minimum to 450 (not raising more was probably his biggest mistake in this hand). The flop comes out AAT and it checks around. On the turn a Q comes and Hudson bets out 300 and Farha raises to 1300 (not sure if it was a checkraise or not, I couldn't tell who had position). I think there is a much larger range of hands that Farha would raise that turn with than just AT or AQ. He could have very easily had air or a naked A, T, Q or even KJ trying to push Hudson off of(or get value out of) KK, JJ, 99 or even AK.

Since Hudson ended up pushing there that was the only real opportunity for him to get much info on Farha's hand. With the action the way it was I really don't see how you could narrow his range down that much. If Hudson had raised to 3500 or so then Farha 4-bet him all in THEN you could put him on AT or AQ....but I don't think you can assume he has 2nd or 3rd nuts just because he put ~15% of his stack in the pot (after he insta-calls your allin, yeah you can assume your in trouble).

Actually, I was misremebering the hand and I just rewatched it. I thought Farha had moved all-in on the turn, but now I see it was Hudson who moved in and Sammy who called.

So yeah, Sammy doesn't have to have a better hand, but honestly, he probably does. I guess KJ would also be a hand he'd play the way he played this one.

My bad.

Ok, cards are in the air, day 4 of the WSOP ME is underway!

seke2 wrote:Ok, cards are in the air, day 4 of the WSOP ME is underway!

Trying to distract us from your horrible mistake, eh?


I've got you exactly where I want you now! Weakened and vulnerable! It's time to pounce! You will rue this day! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Im debating whether to buy the final table PPV, the big drawback is that most of it will happen while Im sleeping so I'd have to record it.

The Red Tornado wrote:

seke2 wrote:Ok, cards are in the air, day 4 of the WSOP ME is underway!

Trying to distract us from your horrible mistake, eh?


I've got you exactly where I want you now! Weakened and vulnerable! It's time to pounce! You will rue this day! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

lol

~10 mins into action today, there are already like 5 players eliminated.

seke2 wrote:Ok, cards are in the air, day 4 of the WSOP ME is underway!

Seke, are they going to take monday off or do the levels slow down? Isn't the final table scheduled for Tuesday? If they're down to 27 after saturday I can't see how it would take 2 days to get down to the final 10.

Alt wrote:

seke2 wrote:Ok, cards are in the air, day 4 of the WSOP ME is underway!

Seke, are they going to take monday off or do the levels slow down? Isn't the final table scheduled for Tuesday? If they're down to 27 after saturday I can't see how it would take 2 days to get down to the final 10.

Play down to 27 on Saturday. Play down to 9 on Sunday. Monday is an off day. Tuesday is the FT.

I have poker fever right now- Im all agog.

Thank goodness the wife is actually off tonight and I can play in the friday tourney. You want me to pick you up seke?

3 more players out. Next payout jump is not until 288 ($45.4k) and then the next after that is 225 ($51.4k) and then 162 ($58.6k) ... so really, the payouts escalate very slowly today.

81st place will be the first to crack 6 digits.

The Red Tornado wrote:I have poker fever right now- Im all agog.

Thank goodness the wife is actually off tonight and I can play in the friday tourney. You want me to pick you up seke?

no, i've got plans tonight, you take it down

seke2 wrote:3 more players out. Next payout jump is not until 288 ($45.4k) and then the next after that is 225 ($51.4k) and then 162 ($58.6k) ... so really, the payouts escalate very slowly today.

81st place will be the first to crack 6 digits.

That is the drawback to the new payout scheme. More % players paid=slower escalation.

seke2 wrote:

The Red Tornado wrote:I have poker fever right now- Im all agog.

Thank goodness the wife is actually off tonight and I can play in the friday tourney. You want me to pick you up seke?

no, i've got plans tonight, you take it down

darn, I have a couple of moves in store for you....

D'oh!! Sam Simon is eliminated!

Down goes Gigabet!!