Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Continues

Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby Bill McNeal » Sat Jun 17, 2017 22:06:28

Squire wrote:Boston globe writer Cafardo says the Marlins might be looking to move Stanton at the deadline and the Phillies would be a logical destination


Is anyone untouchable at this point?
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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby Squire » Sat Jun 17, 2017 22:07:58

Bucky wrote:cozens, kingery, hoskins, alherr


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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby JFLNYC » Sat Jun 17, 2017 22:19:53

Bill McNeal wrote:
Squire wrote:Boston globe writer Cafardo says the Marlins might be looking to move Stanton at the deadline and the Phillies would be a logical destination


Is anyone untouchable at this point?


Adam Morgan.
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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby PSUPhilliesPhan » Sat Jun 17, 2017 22:26:13

Squire wrote:Boston globe writer Cafardo says the Marlins might be looking to move Stanton at the deadline and the Phillies would be a logical destination


I've been thinking about this for about a month. I was going down the rabbit hole on a good defensive catcher and pitch framer we could acquire after watching Nola get squeezed. Stanton might actually be worth negative value right now with his contract. Especially, considering the Marlins are trying to sell the team. It's 10yr/295m after this season with a 2020 player opt out. The player I want from them is their catcher, J.T. Realmuto. He's getting better and better as a pitch framer and already plus offense/defense catcher. I'd trade Alfaro and Nick Williams for Stanton and Realmuto.

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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby mtcal » Sat Jun 17, 2017 22:28:18

JFLNYC wrote:
Bill McNeal wrote:
Squire wrote:Boston globe writer Cafardo says the Marlins might be looking to move Stanton at the deadline and the Phillies would be a logical destination


Is anyone untouchable at this point?


Adam Morgan.


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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby Stay_Disappointed » Sat Jun 17, 2017 22:30:12

Squire wrote:Boston globe writer Cafardo says the Marlins might be looking to move Stanton at the deadline and the Phillies would be a logical destination


Time to start spending some bucks. And throw in Williams and Crawford
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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby mtcal » Sat Jun 17, 2017 22:33:54

this stanton talk is just the phillies annoyed at the sixers stealing the headlines
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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby ReadingPhilly » Sat Jun 17, 2017 22:34:57

PSUPhilliesPhan wrote:
Squire wrote:Boston globe writer Cafardo says the Marlins might be looking to move Stanton at the deadline and the Phillies would be a logical destination


I've been thinking about this for about a month. I was going down the rabbit hole on a good defensive catcher and pitch framer we could acquire after watching Nola get squeezed. Stanton might actually be worth negative value right now with his contract. Especially, considering the Marlins are trying to sell the team. It's 10yr/295m after this season with a 2020 player opt out. The player I want from them is their catcher, J.T. Realmuto. He's getting better and better as a pitch framer and already plus offense/defense catcher. I'd trade Alfaro and Nick Williams for Stanton and Realmuto.


i think carfardo is mostly full of shit. no idea why he'd have any inside scoop on the phils. here's what he said though:
None of us know where the Marlins sale will lead and what sidebars will come as a result, but this has become one of the most talked-about subjects among baseball people. One reason there’s so much intrigue is the elephant in the room — Giancarlo Stanton and his enormous contract.

There’s been plenty of speculation as to how it will end up, but there’s been significant chatter in a few organizations, most notably the Phillies, which tends to indicate the Marlins could have a route to dealing Stanton.

One scenario I heard in Philadelphia this past week was that the Phillies would not only seek Stanton but would also need Christian Yelich in any deal with Miami. The reason is that the Phillies don’t have the best outfield prospects.


definitely would need some incentive to absorb that contract.

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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby Stay_Disappointed » Sat Jun 17, 2017 22:42:13

ReadingPhilly wrote:i think carfardo is mostly full of #$!&@. no idea why he'd have any inside scoop on the phils. here's what he said though:

One scenario I heard in Philadelphia this past week was that the Phillies would not only seek Stanton but would also need Christian Yelich in any deal with Miami. The reason is that the Phillies don’t have the best outfield prospects.


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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby bleh » Sat Jun 17, 2017 22:43:43

PSUPhilliesPhan wrote:Stanton might actually be worth negative value right now with his contract. Especially, considering the Marlins are trying to sell the team. It's 10yr/295m after this season with a 2020 player opt out.

Agreed. Especially for this team where we're not competing in the next 3 years. So he's either good for 3 meaningless years and can leave or he's bad and opts in and we're on the hook for $220 million for his 30-38 years. They got most of the good value out of the contract already. There's a reason they're trying to trade him.

That said, desperate times call for desperate measures, so it wouldn't be the worst move. It would look a lot better if they were on the hook for $50 million or so of the opt in money.

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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby JFLNYC » Sat Jun 17, 2017 22:47:31

After all the dead money we gave Howard we need to take it to the next level.
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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby swishnicholson » Sat Jun 17, 2017 22:48:19

Phillies are still clinging to a 22-19 lead over the Cubs on Philly Sports Classics, but I'm pretty sure they're going to blow it. This guy Kingman is a beast.
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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby 702 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 00:19:02

Fuck drafting all these Yelich comps and just bring me the real fucking deal.

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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby Wolfgang622 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 01:22:54

I haven't the foggiest idea why the Phillies would want any part of Stanton's contract, given the team they have, and are likely to have, for the next 18 months.
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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby Monkeyboy » Sun Jun 18, 2017 05:00:08

mozartpc27 wrote:I haven't the foggiest idea why the Phillies would want any part of Stanton's contract, given the team they have, and are likely to have, for the next 18 years.


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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby Titlehungry » Sun Jun 18, 2017 13:54:56

Ok... do it
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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby PSUPhilliesPhan » Sun Jun 18, 2017 13:59:57

702 wrote:#$!&@ drafting all these Yelich comps and just bring me the real #$!&@ deal.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I've never seen a good not great player get so many comps to him.

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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby nycphils » Sun Jun 18, 2017 15:20:39

Squire wrote:
Bucky wrote:cozens, kingery, hoskins, alherr


Cozens, Cesar, Joseph, Williams


Yes please. He's 27. The next 6 or 7 years should be solid. Willing to risk the last few years for that kind of power and discipline and nor have the pressure to HAVE to sign Harper or Trout to succeed.

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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby mtcal » Sun Jun 18, 2017 21:23:31

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Re: Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Conti

Postby BigEd76 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:28:12

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Phillies are 22-46
2011 Astros (lost 106) were 25-43
2012 Astros (lost 107) were 28-40
2013 Astros (lost 111) were 24-44


Adding on:

2008 Nationals (lost 102) were 26-42
2009 Nationals (lost 103) were 21-47
2012 Cubs (lost 101) were 24-44

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