Phillies General Discussion II: The Season of Suck Continues

by **Stay_Disappointed** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:26:59

Tuesday is national refugee day and Wednesday is international yoga day. I hope MLB has some more alternate uniforms ready

by **JFLNYC** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:39:43

Warszawa wrote:Tuesday is national refugee day and Wednesday is international yoga day. I hope MLB has some more alternate uniforms ready

by **nycphils** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 13:32:26

BigEd76 wrote:
CoreySeidmanCSN

Phillies are 22-46
2011 Astros (lost 106) were 25-43
2012 Astros (lost 107) were 28-40
2013 Astros (lost 111) were 24-44

Adding on:

2008 Nationals (lost 102) were 26-42
2009 Nationals (lost 103) were 21-47
2012 Cubs (lost 101) were 24-44

2nd half will be better so we'll end up losing about 105

1. Saunders will be gone, Altherr plays the extra month he didn't play in 1st half and Odubel will hit as normal
2. Williams will be up and will play, though Kendrick will be gone so not a plus to be fair
3. Starting pitching CANT be worse - Vazquez comes back, Nola for full second half
4. Therrien and Milner will be up in back end of the pen, Jenmar will be gone
5. Franco will be better than the first half
6. Knapp will end up the nominal starter at C, will continue to hit
7. Maybe Joseph gets dealt and Hoskins comes up

by **mtcal** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 13:39:01

1. Saunders will be gone, Altherr plays the extra month he didn't play in 1st half and Odubel will hit as normal -- i thought i remember that they were decent in april and saunders was playing then. didn't altherr start playing in may? yes he's produced pretty much the whole time, but the phils haven't been winning since then.

7. Maybe Joseph gets dealt and Hoskins comes up - joseph's been their 2nd or 3rd best producer offensively after altherr and maybe kendrick depending how you look at it.

by **nycphils** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 13:42:46

Joseph as 3rd most productive is like Placing at an idiots convention.

Jokes aside, he had an awful April, great May and mediocre June. Maybe Hoskins can produce more steadily - certainly will add more patience to the lineup.

by **ReadingPhilly** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 13:43:39

nycphils wrote:Joseph as 3rd most productive is like placing at an idiots convention.

But not much of a reason to suspect the team will perform better.

by **pacino** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 13:45:54

Joseph's been fine. he's not the problem. he can certainly be upgraded in the future, but I wouldn't look to him being dealt as a big factor in improving in the 2nd half.

by **nycphils** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 13:57:49

pacino wrote:Joseph's been fine. he's not the problem. he can certainly be upgraded in the future, but I wouldn't look to him being dealt as a big factor in improving in the 2nd half.

Not saying he's a problem or certainly not THE problem. Only that there are likely to be enough changes/upgrades that we don't lose 115-120 games notwithstanding today's pace.

by **PSUPhilliesPhan** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 14:11:42

Give me all the #1 picks

by **Grotewold** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 14:17:32

nycphils wrote:
pacino wrote:Joseph's been fine. he's not the problem. he can certainly be upgraded in the future

seniors and technology, amirite

by **mtcal** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 14:59:54

phanatic getting international recognition on fb via patriothole (division of clickhole, division of onion, satire site)

by **ReadingPhilly** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 15:12:58

And now, a collection of Phillies hitters’ slash lines with Aaron Judge’s .431 BABIP, with the difference made up solely in singles:
Altherr: .346/.412/.605
Odubel: .333/.363/.485
Joseph: .344/.392/.531
Franco: .384/.431/.529
Saunders: .365/.407/.520

by **pacino** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 15:28:20

these guys should hit it as hard as him!

by **Bucky** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 15:34:47

is there exit-velocity-to-babip correlation data somewhere?

by **joe table** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 15:36:22

Bucky wrote:is there exit-velocity-to-babip correlation data somewhere?

I've read some white papers supporting a correlation between PISSRODS and HITZ

by **Bucky** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 15:54:49

by **phatj** » Mon Jun 19, 2017 18:25:27

BigEd76 wrote:
CoreySeidmanCSN

Phillies are 22-46
2011 Astros (lost 106) were 25-43
2012 Astros (lost 107) were 28-40
2013 Astros (lost 111) were 24-44

Adding on:

2008 Nationals (lost 102) were 26-42
2009 Nationals (lost 103) were 21-47
2012 Cubs (lost 101) were 24-44

2003 Tigers (lost 113) were 17-51. We have our work cut out for us.

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 00:04:19

In the summer of 1997 I spent a lonely summer as the only Phillies plan in the world (so far as I could tell) pulling for their improbable avoidance of a 100 loss season after beginning the year 24-61. Wound up going 44-33 after the ASB, second only to the Yankees. True fact: in the 162 games starting from the day after the ASB through into the next season, the Phillies were 90-72, capped by a memorable win I was at over the Pirates, where me and 500 of my best friends hung around after a rain delay to see the Phillies stage a thrilling comeback win in the bottom of the 9th and turn a 7-1 deficit into an 8-7 victory. I felt sure I was on the front end of their meteoric rise.

It was not to be.

by **Bucky** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 01:06:13

was that game won by a mike lieberthal home run? Pretty sure i remember that game, but thought it was against the reds.

by **ReadingPhilly** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 01:35:05

Yup. IIRC mark lewis lead off the ninth with a hit to extend a modest hitting streak and that would've been enough for me.

not the harry call unfortunately

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