big decision coming up for the org with the pete rose wall of fame.

ReadingPhilly wrote:big decision coming up for the org with the pete rose wall of fame.

Doubtful.

Dowd is throwing up hail marys because he is going to be on the hook for defamation.

let's see, who do I believe:

anybody, or Pete rose?

I'll take the field.

how about no one? we don't have a storied history...just wait until the 2008 crew is eligible

Hope they cancel it.

What happened?

Oof

Woman Testifies That She Had Sex With Pete Rose as Early as Age 14

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/31/spor ... ge-14.html

Bucky wrote:What happened?

Here's a summation as this goes back a few years......

A couple of years ago, John Dowd went on a radio station and was trashing Rose. That wasn't unusual, but then while being pressed he claimed that Rose was running a pedophile ring at spring training each year with 12 to 14 year old girls citing Michael Bertolini as a source. Bertolini vehemently denied saying, in his words, "anything close to that."

Rose sued Dowd for defamation in federal court.

About 3 weeks ago, a federal judge ruled that 2 of the 3 charges could proceed to trial which was a huge (and somewhat unexpected) win for Rose. The judge ruled that Dowd's comment was "known to be false and malicious" and Rose met the burden to proceed with the defamation case. The charge dismissed was an interference with contract charge in relation to his work for Sketchers.

In part of Dowd's defense in the suit, he brought forward a woman who claimed she had a long-term affair with Rose in the 70's and it started when she was 14 or 15 which would constitute statutory rape. Rose acknowledges having a long-term affair with the girl, but claims she was of legal age.

That's where we are now.

pete rose is bad news; should've been disqualified from being honored for betting on the damn game. can we just stop nominating people for the Wall until the 2008 guys have been retired long enough?

add abreu or nobody

it's kinda weird Abreu isn't on there but Thome is

Abreu gave us a .928 ops in his 9 years here

He padded his stats.

...and yet AVOIDED padding at all costs while on defense. Oh the irony

pacino wrote:pete rose is bad news; should've been disqualified from being honored for betting on the damn game. can we just stop nominating people for the Wall until the 2008 guys have been retired long enough?

It's a tough call for the team.

On one hand, even Rose's most ardent supporters would admit at the very least he was a complete scumbag back in the day. Personality-wise, and he Dykstra seem pretty close.

On the flip side, MLB opened the door for him to be inducted into team hall of fames and participate in on-field ceremonies. He is still for the most part beloved in Philadelphia for what he did on the field and his role in winning a title in 1980. People have wanted to honor him in-person for years.

This stuff is straight he said / she said and neither side probably has much of a chance of proving anything. Dowd is more than likely going to owe Rose money when all is said and done. Bottom line, Rose's whole life is baggage. Phils knew that going in.

Dowd is also scum, what a conundrum

Drew Anderson recalled from Reading.

I really enjoy the wonderful posts by the SABR experts of BSG - and the minor league experts - and general high level of discourse on perception versus reality.

What does it take though, to create a WS viable team?

It always seems like it comes down to pitching. To get through playoffs and all the way to November.

Maybe Kingery and Crawford are an amazing future - but aren't Cesar and Freddie competent? Freddie is often GG caliber according to many - and hits a few hrs. Cesar maybe is having an outlier season - but are these the guys that need to go?

If Altherr and Williams are for-real, and by that I mean .285-.290 OPS of .850+ most years with some power, and whether it's Joseph or Hoskins or whomever - what are the missing lynchpins.

I watched the Phils dominate 2009-2010-2011 and then I watched the SF Giants in my backyard locally win 3 times with Buster Posey the biggest bat? It was Lincecum, Cain, Baumgarner and a great pen - they got key hits from the Cody Ross's and Hunter Pence's.

I"m not saying that this configuration with Herrera, Franco, Cesar, and Freddy is quite right - but what if they did add a Trout or a Harper - and then had picked up a Sonny Gray or a Verlander or a couple of true aces and a couple of reliable consistent pen arms? Do we go from worst to first?

I'm all for all these prospects panning out - but is that reality? Alfaro, Crawford, Kingery, Moniak, and all the rest? How far away are we really? And if we had real quality top 3 SP and a lights out dedicated lefty in pen, and then a 7th-8th guy and 9th shut-down closer - couldn't we be the 10-12-14 Giants with just 1 mega-star bat?

How prolific were those teams offensively with Roles, Burrell, Abreu, THome, Rollins -- but they never had pitching. Are we going to have a farm that gives us the next 5 studs in the lineup?

I don't get to see many games because I'm so far away. But I see a lot of box score we just get no one on base. Overall, stats are not terrible in some cases, but the lack of walks I think is an issue. Anyway - if WIlliams and Altherr are legitimate - and Freddy Cesar Oduebl and Maikal are solid enough - then why not just get a Trout and some pitching ??

the phillies lost in the nlds with the greatest pitching staff ever assembled.

ReadingPhilly wrote:the phillies lost in the nlds with the greatest pitching staff ever assembled.

What you mean to say is that anything can happen in the playoffs. We won the WS with Hamels plus a bunch of mediocre options. There is no single formula.