World Series 2008 Games 5.1 & 5.2 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP

by **Woody** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 08:31:08

I want the rage and hate of millions of fans channeled into a monumental ass-kicking tonight, or whenever the fuck they finish this game.

by **Barry Jive** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 08:32:14

top of the lineup. everybody hits, WOO HOO

by **VoxOrion** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 08:33:22

I'm actually hoping they don't play tonight, for fear I'll miss every single pitch.

by **swishnicholson** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 08:34:16

VoxOrion wrote:I hate Conlin etc etc but at least I'm seeing this somewhere in print:

And why did a crew of umpires that has performed at a rookie-league level throughout the Series wait until the Rays tied it, 2-2, in the top of the sixth to order the ground crew to cover the partially submerged infield?

Yeah, strange bedfellows and all that, but I pretty much agree with Phil Sheridan's column from this morning's Inquirer.

Simply put, Game 5 is hopelessly tainted by what transpired between the time the game should have been called and the middle of the sixth inning, when it was finally suspended.

Whatever happens when play resumes, whether the Phillies celebrate their first World Series championship or the Rays force a Game 6 in Florida, MLB can't justify its decision or its decision-making process.

by **Barry Jive** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 08:38:01

so, who leads off? i'm thinking Cholly goes with Jenks if Balfour is warming up, and i guess Taguchi if it's David Price. probably too early that he'd use Bruntlett or Dobbs. and with no men on base, he's not gonna use Stairs. and he won't use Coste.

by **Marion** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 08:42:10

CalvinBall wrote:What if you lost your ticket? Threw it out?

Why would you ever throw out your ticket stub from a potential game clincher??

by **Marion** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 08:49:18

Are they going to make us pay $12 to park again??? I still have my receipt/stub. I think I know the answer to this, and it isn't making me happy.

by **Grotewold** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 08:50:26

I haven't heard an answer to this -- is the rule that they couldn't suspend the game after five with the Phillies winning? That they would have had to wait out the rain or hand the Phillies the win?

by **z ipper** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 08:53:18

Grotewold wrote:I haven't heard an answer to this -- is the rule that they couldn't suspend the game after five with the Phillies winning? That they would have had to wait out the rain or hand the Phillies the win?

technically, following the rules, that wouldn't be a suspended game. the phils would win.

but the commish said:

"Well, I guess putting everything else aside, it's my judgment," Selig said. "I have to use my judgment. It's not a way to end a World Series. And I think I have enough authority, here, frankly, so that I'm not only on solid ground, I'm on very solid ground."

"We would have gone into a rain delay, and that rain delay would have lasted until, weather permitting, we could resume the game," he said. "The game would have been in a rain delay until weather conditions allowed us to continue. And that might have been 24 hours or 48 hours or who knows?"

by **z ipper** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 08:55:17

also, it's 9am and it's not quite clear whether they're even going to try tonight. i mean, what's the frequency?

by **Wizlah** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 08:55:25

Woody wrote:I want the rage and hate of millions of fans channeled into a monumental ass-kicking tonight, or whenever the $#@! they finish this game.

Oh, you'll have that guaranteed. I actually think my anger was so huge last night, my brain couldn't process it and so I thought I was calm. The more I read today, worse I get. I feel we should have a new thread for the remaining games, or at least rename this one THE REAMING.

Wizlette phoned and just asked me to just let it go. 'Theres already too much anger and sadness in the world' sez she.

'It's the phillies, love. It wouldn't be a phillies world series victory without anger.' sez I.

by **lowcountry** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 08:55:34

Phils have scored in the first inning of 4 of 5 World Series games.

Treat it like the first inning wheneverthefark it starts.

by **Grotewold** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 08:57:18

z ipper wrote:
Grotewold wrote:I haven't heard an answer to this -- is the rule that they couldn't suspend the game after five with the Phillies winning? That they would have had to wait out the rain or hand the Phillies the win?

technically, following the rules, that wouldn't be a suspended game. the phils would win.

but the commish said:

"Well, I guess putting everything else aside, it's my judgment," Selig said. "I have to use my judgment. It's not a way to end a World Series. And I think I have enough authority, here, frankly, so that I'm not only on solid ground, I'm on very solid ground."

"We would have gone into a rain delay, and that rain delay would have lasted until, weather permitting, we could resume the game," he said. "The game would have been in a rain delay until weather conditions allowed us to continue. And that might have been 24 hours or 48 hours or who knows?"

So he was waiting for the Rays to tie it?

by **swishnicholson** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 08:57:25

Grotewold wrote:I haven't heard an answer to this -- is the rule that they couldn't suspend the game after five with the Phillies winning? That they would have had to wait out the rain or hand the Phillies the win?

My understanding is that it doesn't really matter what the rule is, Selig had decided the game was going to be completed, and I'm sure he has the authority to decide this. It was mentioned in the paper that both teams had been made aware of this, which I'm sure affected the Rays decision to bat Kazmir in the fifth.

The rule, of course is that if the umpires call the game after 4.5 (or 5) with the home team ahead, it's a completed game. Allowing it to go longer let MLB suspend the game without Selig explicitly overriding the rule. This is because Selig is a weasel.

by **Wizlah** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 09:00:13

swishnicholson wrote:
The rule, of course is that if the umpires call the game after 4.5 (or 5) with the home team ahead, it's a completed game. Allowing it to go longer let MLB suspend the game without Selig explicitly overriding the rule. This is because Selig is a weasel.

Man, you're good. I bet when you kill someone, they barely feel the knife go in.

by **lowcountry** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 09:00:48

Grotewold wrote:So he was waiting for the Rays to tie it?

It looked that way. And considering they called the game EXACTLY 30 minutes after the tarp was pulled, it is clear that they decided to kill the game the instant the Rays tied it.

The fucked up thing is that they didn't HAVE to. Selig had already decided to invoke his "best interests" clause, or whateverthefark allows him to do whateverthefark he wants. The only reason to continue play would be to lessen the shit he'd take for stopping a game and not awarding a trophy.

And, frankly, he's not catching any less crap today than he would have otherwise.

The truth: The first horrible decision was starting. And every single decision afterwards only compounded it.

by **The Red Tornado** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 09:01:10

I have no problem with suspending the game, it's the fact that the Rays have an advantage for 1/2 an inning that the Phils didnt is what burns my butt, they should have stopped the game after the 4th or at least before the 6th started. This was bull shit bull shit bull shit!!

by **Barry Jive** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 09:04:49

at least when the Phils come up tonight they can loft fly balls into the air and the wind will carry them out of this bandbox

by **lowcountry** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 09:05:39

The Red Tornado wrote:I have no problem with suspending the game, it's the fact that the Rays have an advantage for 1/2 an inning that the Phils didnt is what burns my butt, they should have stopped the game after the 4th or at least before the 6th started. This was bull $#@! bull $#@! bull $#@!!!

An excellent point that somebody mentioned last night. Would you rather have:

a) Game stopped after five innings and the bullpen facing the top of the order.
b) Hamels getting through the 6th and giving up just one run.

Whether or not the Phils would have scored with 9-1-2 in the downpour, I can't say. They certainly didn't do it the previous four innings.

Website · by **Wolfgang622** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 09:26:29

Jayson Stark wrote:They weren't happy that it was started in the first place, since glop had already begun falling out of the sky during batting practice and the worsening weather forecast was the No. 1 topic of pregame conversation -- just ahead of how many layers of clothing they were all going to have to wear to avoid frostbite.

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