Doll Is Mine wrote:Almost 90% of Republicans voted for Trump. He's yours.

This is self-defeating. Also, that figure would only reflect Republicans who voted, not all Republicans. I don't think the GOP is finished, but the seeds that were sown with the Tea Party movement are sprouting. It would have been much easier for the party to move forward if Trump had lost.

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:Werthless, I think those are all fair points, even if I disagree with you about the "shouted down" part. Sure, these threads have their moments, but I've been on a lot of message boards over the past 15 or so years, and this is easily one of the most consistently respectful political discussions I've ever encountered. Even on the UVA message board--where you presumably have people who come from pretty similar backgrounds--the politics message board is typically a dumpster fire. These threads occasionally devolve into name calling and can get emotional, but I think that we also do a pretty good job of self-policing on that point.

i agree with you. like i said, i read lots of politics subforums on other message boards-- both liberal and conservatives-- and this board is nowhere near bad

Doll Is Mine wrote:Almost 90% of Republicans voted for Trump. He's yours.

Time to wake up, He Is Ours. He is our president, elected, and will take office. Its your obligation as a citizen to make this country work. You have to work to make it what it should be. It is a GOP sweep in all branches and a majority of the states. That is the job, make it work. If you sit and pout and blame others, then you are doing nothing. If you protest, force change, demand true justice, and hold accountable our elected officials to governed the will of the people as focused by the constitution, then you are working in the right direction.

Lets go old school with 'United we Stand, Divided We Fall.' Aesop, Mark 3:25, or John Dickinson, your choice.

the record probably disagrees or whatever but I've tried to be slightly less sarcastic and miserable in the political threads as compared to other places so there could be some discourse but literally fuck that right now. A good number of my friends have required emotional support because their lives are significantly less safe, their rights are most likely going to lose their protections etc. I'm supposed to feel bad because conservatives are getting heckled on the internet? Fuck that, if I'm crying over anything it's the burned down black churches and LGBT folks getting their asses kicked by angry, uninformed shitheads.

slugsrbad wrote:

Doll Is Mine wrote:Almost 90% of Republicans voted for Trump. He's yours.

This is self-defeating. Also, that figure would only reflect Republicans who voted, not all Republicans. I don't think the GOP is finished, but the seeds that were sown with the Tea Party movement are sprouting. It would have been much easier for the party to move forward if Trump had lost.

this is kind of why I posted that 'didn't vote would've won' graphic earlier this morning. Lots of people stayed on the sidelines. We need to see how better to engage them. I'm convinced the reason Clinton lost (besides the FBI thing) is the economic message wasn't properly conveyed. For the good of the country we should figure out what the hell we're (I say this as a Democrat and non-Trumpist) doing going forward. Politics matters and it affects lives. We need to show this. It was frustrating to read post-mortems where people didn't make the connection to their liking Item A and then voting for the person that wants to take Item A away.

probably the worst Political Subforum on a Sports Message Board is tigerdroppings.com (LSU board). basically a stormfront substitute. most southern college football team boards are

pacino wrote:

slugsrbad wrote:

Doll Is Mine wrote:Almost 90% of Republicans voted for Trump. He's yours.

This is self-defeating. Also, that figure would only reflect Republicans who voted, not all Republicans. I don't think the GOP is finished, but the seeds that were sown with the Tea Party movement are sprouting. It would have been much easier for the party to move forward if Trump had lost.

this is kind of why I posted that 'didn't vote would've won' graphic earlier this morning. Lots of people stayed on the sidelines. We need to see how better to engage them. I'm convinced the reason she lost (besides the FBI thing) is the economic message wasn't properly conveyed.

i agree. democrats/liberals have to own the turnout depression (GOP helped with their voter suppression tactics but still)

thephan wrote:

Doll Is Mine wrote:Almost 90% of Republicans voted for Trump. He's yours.

Time to wake up, He Is Ours. He is our president, elected, and will take office. Its your obligation as a citizen to make this country work. You have to work to make it what it should be. It is a GOP sweep in all branches and a majority of the states. That is the job, make it work. If you sit and pout and blame others, then you are doing nothing. If you protest, force change, demand true justice, and hold accountable our elected officials to governed the will of the people as focused by the constitution, then you are working in the right direction.

Lets go old school with 'United we Stand, Divided We Fall.' Aesop, Mark 3:25, or John Dickinson, your choice.

I'm not sitting and pouting at all. I've already joined the protest outside Trump Tower and plan to join a movement soon. I think a lot of liberals like myself (and especially those who live in blue states like NY) have become complacent the last 8 years and during the election.

This election has been a rude awakening for a lot of us progressives, especially millennials. We gave this country the benefit of the doubt that a Trump would never be elected President and it bit us in the ass. Time to get to work.

Soren wrote:the record probably disagrees or whatever but I've tried to be slightly less sarcastic and miserable in the political threads as compared to other places so there could be some discourse but literally fuck that right now. A good number of my friends have required emotional support because their lives are significantly less safe, their rights are most likely going to lose their protections etc. I'm supposed to feel bad because conservatives are getting heckled on the internet? Fuck that, if I'm crying over anything it's the burned down black churches and LGBT folks getting their asses kicked by angry, uninformed shitheads.

No, you obviously shouldnt feel bad for conservative posters; I hope I didnt leave you with the impression that's what I was requesting. I'm just explaining that I don't enjoy posting in this thread anymore, and I actually think if I started posting more, then everyone (me, you and others) would be less happy. This is a safe place to lament the decision to elect a sexual predator, and I'm aware enough to realize that nuanced posts about how the GOP may not burn it all down would not be welcomed.

Werthless wrote:This election was basically a rebellion...a rebellion of conservatives being told what they couldn't say, a rebellion against a political elite, a rebellion against the concept that the existing government oligarchy protects the interests of the middle class. Wrong or right, that's why Trump won,

Anything genuinely recognizable as "conservatism" has precious little to do with drumpf at all, before, now, or ever. "Real" conservatives recoiled from this gob of sewage even more strenuously than lily-livered liberals.

Doll Is Mine wrote:

thephan wrote:

Doll Is Mine wrote:Almost 90% of Republicans voted for Trump. He's yours.

Time to wake up, He Is Ours. He is our president, elected, and will take office. Its your obligation as a citizen to make this country work. You have to work to make it what it should be. It is a GOP sweep in all branches and a majority of the states. That is the job, make it work. If you sit and pout and blame others, then you are doing nothing. If you protest, force change, demand true justice, and hold accountable our elected officials to governed the will of the people as focused by the constitution, then you are working in the right direction.

Lets go old school with 'United we Stand, Divided We Fall.' Aesop, Mark 3:25, or John Dickinson, your choice.

I'm not sitting and pouting at all. I've already joined the protest outside Trump Tower and plan to join a movement soon. I think a lot of liberals like myself (and especially those who live in blue states like NY) have become complacent the last 8 years and during the election.

This election has been a rude awakening for a lot of us progressives, especially millennials. We gave this country the benefit of the doubt that a Trump would never be elected President and it bit us in the ass. Time to get to work.

I'm concerned that for too many liberals "getting to work" involves doubling down on a coalition that failed this time around, rather than actually trying to understand why they could not get an extra couple of hundred thousand votes in the Midwest and PA last week.

I think liberals need to get and stay angry for a change. I'm not buying the poor me thing. Republicans want us to calm down and keep quiet while they burn the country down. Inaction is a poor course of action.

It's also only been a week and the shitshow is literally bringing in people who are the very worst the country has to offer. Anger is the appropriate emotion. Anger can be a great tool... just ask the Donald.

MoBettle wrote:

Doll Is Mine wrote:

thephan wrote:

Doll Is Mine wrote:Almost 90% of Republicans voted for Trump. He's yours.

Time to wake up, He Is Ours. He is our president, elected, and will take office. Its your obligation as a citizen to make this country work. You have to work to make it what it should be. It is a GOP sweep in all branches and a majority of the states. That is the job, make it work. If you sit and pout and blame others, then you are doing nothing. If you protest, force change, demand true justice, and hold accountable our elected officials to governed the will of the people as focused by the constitution, then you are working in the right direction.

Lets go old school with 'United we Stand, Divided We Fall.' Aesop, Mark 3:25, or John Dickinson, your choice.

I'm not sitting and pouting at all. I've already joined the protest outside Trump Tower and plan to join a movement soon. I think a lot of liberals like myself (and especially those who live in blue states like NY) have become complacent the last 8 years and during the election.

This election has been a rude awakening for a lot of us progressives, especially millennials. We gave this country the benefit of the doubt that a Trump would never be elected President and it bit us in the ass. Time to get to work.

I'm concerned that for too many liberals "getting to work" involves doubling down on a coalition that failed this time around, rather than actually trying to understand why they could not get an extra couple of hundred thousand votes in the Midwest and PA last week.

what's your take? seems like you have something there but are holding back on it. I'm interested.

I'm not saying we need to be rude to each other, but JH's post was ridiculously over the top considering the situation. It seemed more aimed to get people to shut up than to make people engage. This all smacks of manipulation to me.

I don't think JH is that duplicitous. Only he is, then I AM the puppet.

Love the hot mic with Barry saying that it would have been nice to spend the weekends in Chi-Town in response to the news that Dannie would like to weekend at Trump Tower. Ring-Ring, its a 24x7 job. Look at Barry's hair FFS. There is no sleeping in Saturday at a home that is not the WH.

pacino wrote:

MoBettle wrote:

Doll Is Mine wrote:

thephan wrote:

Doll Is Mine wrote:Almost 90% of Republicans voted for Trump. He's yours.

Time to wake up, He Is Ours. He is our president, elected, and will take office. Its your obligation as a citizen to make this country work. You have to work to make it what it should be. It is a GOP sweep in all branches and a majority of the states. That is the job, make it work. If you sit and pout and blame others, then you are doing nothing. If you protest, force change, demand true justice, and hold accountable our elected officials to governed the will of the people as focused by the constitution, then you are working in the right direction.

Lets go old school with 'United we Stand, Divided We Fall.' Aesop, Mark 3:25, or John Dickinson, your choice.

I'm not sitting and pouting at all. I've already joined the protest outside Trump Tower and plan to join a movement soon. I think a lot of liberals like myself (and especially those who live in blue states like NY) have become complacent the last 8 years and during the election.

This election has been a rude awakening for a lot of us progressives, especially millennials. We gave this country the benefit of the doubt that a Trump would never be elected President and it bit us in the ass. Time to get to work.

I'm concerned that for too many liberals "getting to work" involves doubling down on a coalition that failed this time around, rather than actually trying to understand why they could not get an extra couple of hundred thousand votes in the Midwest and PA last week.

what's your take? seems like you have something there but are holding back on it. I'm interested.

Uhh nothing that others haven't already said. Basically in retrospect it's clear that the democrats were wrong to punt on appealing to working class values. They thought they had a winning coalition of minorities and certain groups of women, and so they focused their message on stuff that would appeal to those groups, with the hope that enough college educated white people would be grossed out by trump and come along for the ride.

In the end, there was a shift among college educated whites, but women and most minority groups (including Hispanics ffs) voted for Hillary at lower rate than Obama in 2012.

That sort of tells me that people largely had their minds made up on whether trumps actions and words were disqualifying. And there was an opportunity that they missed to appeal to working class ideas that, yes, appeal to white men, but also appeal to everyone.

Contrast that with 2012 when the auto bailout was front and center. Mitt was painted as the personification of the financial crisis, they guy that fired you from your job during the recession.

There was a way to run the Romney playbook against trump, but clearly they thought not stressing what a xenophobe he was would normalize him.

Not saying that was an easy call, but in retrospect an adjustment needs to be made if they want to win next time.

thephan wrote:Love the hot mic with Barry saying that it would have been nice to spend the weekends in Chi-Town in response to the news that Dannie would like to weekend at Trump Tower. Ring-Ring, its a 24x7 job. Look at Barry's hair FFS. There is no sleeping in Saturday at a home that is not the WH.

It's especially amazing considering he ran on claims of TERRIFIC STAMINA and how he doesn't sleep and would be available for those 3am calls.

I mean, yes, in this day and age you don't have to be in one particular place to do that type of job, but there are a number of considerations, not the least of which would be the insanely increased costs for Secret Service protection in NYC for a significant chunk of the year.

slugsrbad wrote:I don't think JH is that duplicitous. Only he is, then I AM the puppet.

no puppet. No puppet. YOU'RE the puppet.

I wonder how many billion he's getting from the russian govt.

MoBettle wrote:

pacino wrote:

MoBettle wrote:

Doll Is Mine wrote:

thephan wrote:

Doll Is Mine wrote:Almost 90% of Republicans voted for Trump. He's yours.

Time to wake up, He Is Ours. He is our president, elected, and will take office. Its your obligation as a citizen to make this country work. You have to work to make it what it should be. It is a GOP sweep in all branches and a majority of the states. That is the job, make it work. If you sit and pout and blame others, then you are doing nothing. If you protest, force change, demand true justice, and hold accountable our elected officials to governed the will of the people as focused by the constitution, then you are working in the right direction.

Lets go old school with 'United we Stand, Divided We Fall.' Aesop, Mark 3:25, or John Dickinson, your choice.

I'm not sitting and pouting at all. I've already joined the protest outside Trump Tower and plan to join a movement soon. I think a lot of liberals like myself (and especially those who live in blue states like NY) have become complacent the last 8 years and during the election.

This election has been a rude awakening for a lot of us progressives, especially millennials. We gave this country the benefit of the doubt that a Trump would never be elected President and it bit us in the ass. Time to get to work.

I'm concerned that for too many liberals "getting to work" involves doubling down on a coalition that failed this time around, rather than actually trying to understand why they could not get an extra couple of hundred thousand votes in the Midwest and PA last week.

what's your take? seems like you have something there but are holding back on it. I'm interested.

Uhh nothing that others haven't already said. Basically in retrospect it's clear that the democrats were wrong to punt on appealing to working class values. They thought they had a winning coalition of minorities and certain groups of women, and so they focused their message on stuff that would appeal to those groups, with the hope that enough college educated white people would be grossed out by trump and come along for the ride.

In the end, women and most minority groups (including Hispanics ffs) voted for Hillary at lower rate than Obama in 2012.

That sort of tells me that people largely had their minds made up on whether trumps actions and words were disqualifying. And there was an opportunity that they missed to appeal to working class ideas that, yes, appeal to white men, but also appeal to everyone.

Contrast that with 2012 when the auto bailout was front and center. Mitt was painted as the personification of the financial crisis, they guy that fired you from your job during the recession.

There was a way to run the Romney playbook against trump, but clearly they thought now stressing what a xenophobe he was would normalize him.

Not saying that was an easy call, but in retrospect an adjustment needs to be made if they want to win next time.

Which is amazing in retrospect considering that they could've used one of a million clips of him saying "you're fired" to recycle the Romney playbook. It would've been so damned easy, but I don't recall seeing a single commercial using that. They outclevered themselves.