td11 wrote:

Houshphandzadeh wrote:the Democratic party completely failed. while certainly not as culpable as Republicans, we also bought into a cult of personality. we put forth a candidate who was hugely unpopular, like popularity doesn't matter. a candidate who was under investigation by the FBI, like that can just be waved away. we expected charges of sexual misconduct against Trump to stick when Bill Clinton was on stage every night, a guy so mired in scandal his own VP didn't want him campaigning for him in 2000. we aggressively ignored red-handed evidence that the DNC was corrupt and weighted toward Clinton, like that wouldn't bother anyone not inclined toward her. and then she waged a terrible campaign ignoring any kind economic message in favor of identity politics and negative messaging, even entirely ignoring crucial states. everyone crowed for pragmatism throughout the primary and then assumed the whole country would vote the way Dems think they ought to have, like everyone reads the same college-level articles about privilege and sexual politics. I'm embarrassed that I woke up confident last Tuesday

yeah i agree with this post

pacino wrote:The margins for her losses in Pa, MI and WI keep going down as they count provisional ballots. 14k in MI and 20k in Wi. Turnout is over 129 mil now.

Houshphandzadeh wrote:spend a few more years preaching that it's impossible for Trump to win

Warszawa wrote:

pacino wrote:The margins for her losses in Pa, MI and WI keep going down as they count provisional ballots. 14k in MI and 20k in Wi. Turnout is over 129 mil now.

So she can still win those states right? Where can they find more votes

drsmooth wrote:

Houshphandzadeh wrote:spend a few more years preaching that it's impossible for Trump to win

You read poorly; I'm quite sure I never said that. And if I said that, I did not insist on it. I have said repeatedly that he's a gob of #$!&@ unfit to be President. Maybe that's what you've misunderstood.

drumpf has no mandate. He's the presidential choice of people who make poor choices.

I would not invest in, I would not employ, anyone who voted drumpf sincerely believing "yeah, he's capable of leading a large, complex, productive organization". Because he's not. And it's painfully evident he's not.

He - and so we - may get lucky. It's not probable.

pacino wrote:People who choose poorly count the same as you, wise one.

pacino wrote:No, it's doubtful she 'wins'...just so crazy it was basically a coinflip. Maybe ID mattered in Wisconsin and NC. She also conceded so it's moot.

Gretchen Douglas is a corrections officer from Marshalltown. The 53-year-old had been a Democrat her entire adult life and describes herself as a social liberal and fiscal conservative. She’s a supporter of unions and gay rights and abortion rights and said she doesn’t want to breathe dirty air. She proudly talked of her daughter’s success as a chemist, mentioning that not long ago the only options for women were teaching and nursing. She holds a degree in accounting and can tell you exactly the share of the national debt she and her husband carry.

Even as the recession caused Iowa to shed hundreds of state jobs, Douglas managed to hold onto hers. But in 2012, for the first time in her life, she registered as a Republican, and last week she voted for Trump. Douglas told me she had switched parties because she felt Obama had been irresponsible with spending, causing the national debt to soar. She said Democrats were spending too much on social programs for people who did not need them.

“I don’t want to throw Granny out in the snow, and I think the least of our brothers should be taken care of,” she said. “But I think that those who can work should.” Douglas said there was a time in her life where she was struggling, and so she applied for welfare for herself and her young children but was denied. She didn’t think that was fair, but she worked hard and turned her life around. But these days, she said, “I kind of think for some social programs there is no stigma.”

...

When Obama was elected, she hoped he would “bridge race relations, to help people in the middle of Iowa” see that black people “are decent hardworking people who want the same things that we want.” She said people in rural Iowa often don’t know many black people and unfairly stereotype them. But Obama really turned her off when after a vigilante killed a black teenager named Trayvon Martin, he said the boy could have been his son. She felt as if Obama was choosing a side in the racial divide, stirring up tensions. And then came the death of Michael Brown, shot by a policeman in Ferguson, Mo.

td11 wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/20/magazine/donald-trumps-america-iowa-race.html

Gretchen Douglas is a corrections officer from Marshalltown. The 53-year-old had been a Democrat her entire adult life and describes herself as a social liberal and fiscal conservative. She’s a supporter of unions and gay rights and abortion rights and said she doesn’t want to breathe dirty air. She proudly talked of her daughter’s success as a chemist, mentioning that not long ago the only options for women were teaching and nursing. She holds a degree in accounting and can tell you exactly the share of the national debt she and her husband carry.

Even as the recession caused Iowa to shed hundreds of state jobs, Douglas managed to hold onto hers. But in 2012, for the first time in her life, she registered as a Republican, and last week she voted for Trump. Douglas told me she had switched parties because she felt Obama had been irresponsible with spending, causing the national debt to soar. She said Democrats were spending too much on social programs for people who did not need them.

“I don’t want to throw Granny out in the snow, and I think the least of our brothers should be taken care of,” she said. “But I think that those who can work should.” Douglas said there was a time in her life where she was struggling, and so she applied for welfare for herself and her young children but was denied. She didn’t think that was fair, but she worked hard and turned her life around. But these days, she said, “I kind of think for some social programs there is no stigma.”

...

When Obama was elected, she hoped he would “bridge race relations, to help people in the middle of Iowa” see that black people “are decent hardworking people who want the same things that we want.” She said people in rural Iowa often don’t know many black people and unfairly stereotype them. But Obama really turned her off when after a vigilante killed a black teenager named Trayvon Martin, he said the boy could have been his son. She felt as if Obama was choosing a side in the racial divide, stirring up tensions. And then came the death of Michael Brown, shot by a policeman in Ferguson, Mo.

then i read articles like this and i'm like, there's nothing Hillary coulda done ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

smitty wrote:After eight years, a LOT of voters vote against the party that holds the White House. Since 1944, only once did either party hold the White House more than eight years. Just once.

Many, many voters are angry and want "change." It happens sometime during the second term of the party in charge.

Warszawa wrote:

td11 wrote:

Houshphandzadeh wrote:the Democratic party completely failed. while certainly not as culpable as Republicans, we also bought into a cult of personality. we put forth a candidate who was hugely unpopular, like popularity doesn't matter. a candidate who was under investigation by the FBI, like that can just be waved away. we expected charges of sexual misconduct against Trump to stick when Bill Clinton was on stage every night, a guy so mired in scandal his own VP didn't want him campaigning for him in 2000. we aggressively ignored red-handed evidence that the DNC was corrupt and weighted toward Clinton, like that wouldn't bother anyone not inclined toward her. and then she waged a terrible campaign ignoring any kind economic message in favor of identity politics and negative messaging, even entirely ignoring crucial states. everyone crowed for pragmatism throughout the primary and then assumed the whole country would vote the way Dems think they ought to have, like everyone reads the same college-level articles about privilege and sexual politics. I'm embarrassed that I woke up confident last Tuesday

yeah i agree with this post