The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Monkeyboy » Tue Nov 15, 2016 15:15:32

pacino wrote:woody, i'm sure whoever is in charge of the EPA come January 2017 will take this shit seriously. we will come together as a country and we will make sure we stick to our agreements with the rest of the world and that they stick to theirs.

OK, now that I have that out of my system... The EU might enact a carbon tax on the US if we pull out of the Paris Agreement.

a source to Reuters says he may try to scrap it all:

The source said the future Trump administration is weighing alternatives to accelerate the pull-out: sending a letter withdrawing from the 1992 international framework accord that is the parent treaty of the Paris Agreement; voiding U.S. involvement in both in a year's time; or issuing a presidential order simply deleting the U.S. signature from the Paris accord.

Withdrawing from the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) would be controversial, partly because it was signed by former Republican President George H.W. Bush in 1992 and approved by the U.S. Senate. The action also could antagonize many other countries. [L8N1DB41L]

The UNFCCC sets a goal of avoiding "dangerous" man-made damage to the climate to avert more heat waves, downpours, floods, extinctions of animals and plants and rising sea levels.

The 2015 Paris Agreement is much more explicit, seeking to phase out net greenhouse gas emissions by the second half of the century and limit global warming to "well below" 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 Fahrenheit) above pre-industrial times.



You know what country would most likely benefit the most from severe climate change?

Russia
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Nov 15, 2016 15:16:33

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pacino wrote:We finally get rid of medicare and aca. You should be happy, jh. You get 1-4 supreme Court justices. We're also going to give education 'back to the states' and do various other conservative hobby horses. Seems like a victory for conservatives.


We're going to be Kansas in 4 years.


kansas has pretty good pre-k programming from what i understand.

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby pacino » Tue Nov 15, 2016 15:17:01

He likes Reince Priebus.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby thephan » Tue Nov 15, 2016 15:22:30

When returning everything to the states, you can buckle up for state taxes to moon shot, or maybe just go with a Florida style cuts in services (looking @ you education*).

* truth be told, over 90% of education funding is already a state and local issue (looking @ your property taxes).
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Doll Is Mine » Tue Nov 15, 2016 15:23:04

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby td11 » Tue Nov 15, 2016 15:25:47

jerseyhoya wrote:
td11 wrote:haven't really heard from any board conservatives about how they're feeling about their Grand Ol Party...

Why the fuck would anyone who is anything but 100% in line with opposing every aspect of Trump waste any time posting here given what you, soren, etc. have been posting in this thread? This is apparently not the time or place for nuance.

ok buddy, thanks for the feedback

i guess we're forgetting about the real victims of this election: True Conservatives who will be shouted and yelled at on the internet by sad, impotent liberals
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby slugsrbad » Tue Nov 15, 2016 15:30:48

jerseyhoya wrote:
td11 wrote:haven't really heard from any board conservatives about how they're feeling about their Grand Ol Party...

Why the fuck would anyone who is anything but 100% in line with opposing every aspect of Trump waste any time posting here given what you, soren, etc. have been posting in this thread? This is apparently not the time or place for nuance.


I think this is a fair-ish point. Worse case scenario for "normal" conservatives is our worst case scenario (Trump going full alt-right), but the best case scenario is that Trump trends towards "normal" conservative and JH gets most of what he would have wanted out of a Rubio or Bush. If he is seen celebrating now, or in the future, he would be shouting down for celebrating the accomplishments of a xenophobic, racist, bigoted, insecure pig.

It's not an enviable position to be in, and I'm sure JH is uncertain and perhaps fearful of his party's future.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Doll Is Mine » Tue Nov 15, 2016 15:36:48

All you have to do is look at the Republican establishment and realize why the Nazis had sympathizers.

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Monkeyboy » Tue Nov 15, 2016 15:37:04

jerseyhoya wrote:
td11 wrote:haven't really heard from any board conservatives about how they're feeling about their Grand Ol Party...

Why the fuck would anyone who is anything but 100% in line with opposing every aspect of Trump waste any time posting here given what you, soren, etc. have been posting in this thread? This is apparently not the time or place for nuance.



well people of your ilk, people who damn well know better, created this mess. Maybe if we had a few less "ends justify the means" people we wouldn't be staring at someone assuming the presidency who seems hell bent on destroying basic institutions and traditions.

He's an Erdogan. And if people in your party don't start standing up to him, we're all going to suffer. We need to pull in the same direction on this and your party seems happy to use this monstrosity to get what it wants, even if it means the loss of basic human rights for huge groups of people.

So your contempt is misdirected. Maybe use that 30 seconds to phone you congressman and help try to undo the shitshow you and your party conceived and grew to full term Roger Ailes' belly..
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby pacino » Tue Nov 15, 2016 15:38:03

to be fair, Eleanor Holmes Norton seems fairly against Donald.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Monkeyboy » Tue Nov 15, 2016 15:40:48

she's a woman. Who cares what she thinks.






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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Youseff » Tue Nov 15, 2016 15:41:17

Glenn Beck is speaking out against Bannon. I've never listened to his radio show and really never plan to, so I don't know if this is his new MO, but it shows you how arbitrary political boundaries can be. Beck was never short on the Hitler imagery when talking about Obama.

Conservative political commentator Glenn Beck on Monday tore into Steve Bannon, President-elect Donald Trump's pick to be his chief strategist during his radio show.

"Steve Bannon wants to burn it down," said Beck, who has been a fierce Trump critic since the billionaire first launched his campaign.

"He's a nightmare," Beck continued. "And he's the chief adviser to the President of the United States now."

The talk-radio host also suggested that Bannon holds views that are far more extreme than Trump's, saying that the press should spend more time examining Bannon's "clear tie" to white nationalism and anti-Semitism.

"He has built [Breitbart News] as a platform for the alt-right," said Beck, referring to the far-right website that has often taken controversial and racially charged stances on policy issues, while abandoning traditional conservative news coverage for a more ethno-nationalist platform.

Bannon told Mother Jones that Breitbart was "the platform for the alt-right" during the Republican National Convention in July.

He has denied that Breitbart is a racist website, saying instead that it is "nationalist," and likened it to far-right movements in Europe, like France's National Front, led by Marine Le Pen.

Breitbart has run articles with headlines like "Birth Control Makes Women Unattractive and Crazy," referred to conservative commentator Bill Kristol as a "renegade Jew," and repeatedly published objectively false claims about the LGBTQ community, the Muslim community, immigrants, and others.

Beck concluded the segment saying that Bannon "a terrifying man" who "wants to tear this system down."
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Doll Is Mine » Tue Nov 15, 2016 15:42:12

Monkeyboy wrote:she's a woman. Who cares what she thinks.






Can I join the GOP now?


Good timing.

Former WWE writer Vince Russo has never been afraid to express his opinions … most recently sharing the fact that he doesn’t believe women were created to be leaders.

Russo expressed his opinion on today’s episode of The Brand by saying, “As a Christian man, as a believer of The Bible, I don’t believe that women were created to be leaders. I don’t believe a woman was created to run this country based on the fact that the woman was taken from the man’s rib.”

Adding, “Woman wasn’t created first. The man was created first. The woman was created second. I believe that’s how God wanted the pecking order to be.”

Russo does, however, admit that his perceived role of women is important … saying, “I think that women have the most important job! I think giving birth and rearing kids and raising kids, and molding and shaping other human beings is more important than being a leader.”

The pundit then goes on to take issue with a listener who labeled him as sexist for his views, but defends his position that men and women aren’t created equal because they have different genitalia.

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby pacino » Tue Nov 15, 2016 15:43:26

just setting us up for the potential SWERVE where he endorses a woman for president in 2020
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Youseff » Tue Nov 15, 2016 15:44:08

slugsrbad wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
td11 wrote:haven't really heard from any board conservatives about how they're feeling about their Grand Ol Party...

Why the fuck would anyone who is anything but 100% in line with opposing every aspect of Trump waste any time posting here given what you, soren, etc. have been posting in this thread? This is apparently not the time or place for nuance.


I think this is a fair-ish point. Worse case scenario for "normal" conservatives is our worst case scenario (Trump going full alt-right), but the best case scenario is that Trump trends towards "normal" conservative and JH gets most of what he would have wanted out of a Rubio or Bush. If he is seen celebrating now, or in the future, he would be shouting down for celebrating the accomplishments of a xenophobic, racist, bigoted, insecure pig.

It's not an enviable position to be in, and I'm sure JH is uncertain and perhaps fearful of his party's future.


I think anyone should be scared about the party's future, but there has to be a huge acknowledgement that this is their Frankenstein's Monster. Giving a bunch of looney tunes a voice in that party's political process created this, and that party establishment should receive a large share of the blame for that.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Soren » Tue Nov 15, 2016 15:44:35

Beck has said things sympathetic to BLM lately which is...weird.

This is fucking funny:

He has denied that Breitbart is a racist website, saying instead that it is "nationalist," and likened it to far-right movements in Europe, like France's National Front, led by Marine Le Pen.


when you consider the history of FN. Their platform was solidly about white supremacy within the last 20 years. The "pivot" towards Nationalism was just a cynical push towards mainstream populist appeal.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Werthless » Tue Nov 15, 2016 15:44:57

td11 wrote:haven't really heard from any board conservatives about how they're feeling about their Grand Ol Party...

no one cares.

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby pacino » Tue Nov 15, 2016 15:45:02

Youseff wrote:Glenn Beck is speaking out against Bannon. I've never listened to his radio show and really never plan to, so I don't know if this is his new MO, but it shows you how arbitrary political boundaries can be. Beck was never short on the Hitler imagery when talking about Obama.

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Beck is an opportunist. He went into political radio when it was a cash cow. I doubt anything he's ever said was real. If he converts some of his listeners to understanding BLM better, then so be it I guess.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby td11 » Tue Nov 15, 2016 15:47:25

Werthless wrote:
td11 wrote:haven't really heard from any board conservatives about how they're feeling about their Grand Ol Party...

no one cares.

it's more important than ever for conservatives to call out what the GOP has become, but you're right, no one cares
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Doll Is Mine » Tue Nov 15, 2016 15:48:15

Wasn't Beck the guy on FOX News with the dry erase board?

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