The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Doll Is Mine » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:06:23

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby pacino » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:06:54

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
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pacino wrote:woody, i'm sure whoever is in charge of the EPA come January 2017 will take this #$!&@ seriously. we will come together as a country and we will make sure we stick to our agreements with the rest of the world and that they stick to theirs.

OK, now that I have that out of my system... The EU might enact a carbon tax on the US if we pull out of the Paris Agreement.

a source to Reuters says he may try to scrap it all:

The source said the future Trump administration is weighing alternatives to accelerate the pull-out: sending a letter withdrawing from the 1992 international framework accord that is the parent treaty of the Paris Agreement; voiding U.S. involvement in both in a year's time; or issuing a presidential order simply deleting the U.S. signature from the Paris accord.

Withdrawing from the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) would be controversial, partly because it was signed by former Republican President George H.W. Bush in 1992 and approved by the U.S. Senate. The action also could antagonize many other countries. [L8N1DB41L]

The UNFCCC sets a goal of avoiding "dangerous" man-made damage to the climate to avert more heat waves, downpours, floods, extinctions of animals and plants and rising sea levels.

The 2015 Paris Agreement is much more explicit, seeking to phase out net greenhouse gas emissions by the second half of the century and limit global warming to "well below" 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 Fahrenheit) above pre-industrial times.

I'm pretty sure (~80%) that the President cannot unilaterally pull out of a treaty that was approved by Congress and ratified.

Congress wouldn't even vote on a goddamn action in Syria that a President they hate initiated, you think they'll stop this?

See my edit. The thing that would stop him would be the penalties assessed against the US for a treaty violation. I have no idea what they are, but I'm guessing it's things like other countries assessing taxes and penalties on us.

i provided a link to the EU floating the idea of a carbon tax on us

getting into a tariff and tax war will be fun
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby JFLNYC » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:22:00

I imagine the Republican response to international penalties would be: Just try to collect.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:36:41

JFLNYC wrote:I imagine the Republican response to international penalties would be: Just try to collect.

It'd actually be pretty simple. Impose taxes and tariffs. If the US responds by imposing its own, then you start calling in debt where possible and refusing to extend further credit.

It'll be a shitshow and 30% of the country will absolutely love it.

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:41:51

"Dr. Carson was never offered a specific position, but everything was open to him," Williams told The Hill in a phone call.

"Dr. Carson feels he has no government experience, he's never run a federal agency. The last thing he would want to do was take a position that could cripple the presidency."


http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/30 ... ion-report

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby wwry » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:46:17

ben would be such a great man if he didn't hold bigoted views.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby CalvinBall » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:47:22

he ran for president! and presumably those feelings were true when he did that because he still has no government experience.

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby The Crimson Cyclone » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:53:30

put him in charge of the pyramid grain silos
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby wwry » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:55:53

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby pacino » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:59:39

CalvinBall wrote:he ran for president! and presumably those feelings were true when he did that because he still has no government experience.

Book sales. He halted his campaign for a few days to hawk his book.

found a fun nugget from the archives:
“He’s an ‘African’ American. He was, you know, raised white,” said the world-renowned neurosurgeon, whose single mother worked three jobs – and occasionally relied on government aid – to elevate Carson and his older brother from the grinding poverty of ghetto life.
“I mean, like most Americans, I was proud that we broke the color barrier when he was elected, but … he didn’t grow up like I grew up … Many of his formative years were spent in Indonesia. So, for him to, you know, claim that, you know, he identifies with the experience of black Americans, I think, is a bit of a stretch.”
Carson also suggested that what passes for racism now – in the age of Ferguson and Freddie Gray – isn’t comparable to the overt discrimination he encountered a half-century ago as a young man.
“Remember now, I’ve been around for 64 years, you know,” he added. “I’ve had a chance to see what real racism is.”
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Doll Is Mine » Tue Nov 15, 2016 13:48:18

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NEW: Source: Trump transition team undergoing "Stalinesque purge of people close" to Gov. Christie. http://nbcnews.to/2fUqIKF


"Christie was demoted bc he wasn't seen as sufficiently loyal to Trump, failing to vocally defend him at key moments on the campaign trail."

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby pacino » Tue Nov 15, 2016 13:51:34

damn, Christie really going out like a punk; he latched onto President Mr Trump as a career lifeline, got piled on, and now is thrown aside for insufficient boot-licking.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Soren » Tue Nov 15, 2016 13:56:54

Does a "Stalinesque purge" include sending them to death camps? Otherwise that might be a bit of hyperbole.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby JFLNYC » Tue Nov 15, 2016 13:57:08

I'd bet it's much more because of his prosecution of Kushner's father.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby The Dude » Tue Nov 15, 2016 13:57:08

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Doll Is Mine » Tue Nov 15, 2016 14:00:47

I'm all for the media using hyperbole. We can not normalize this.

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Soren » Tue Nov 15, 2016 14:10:27

Yea I'm sure comparing Trump internal politics to one of the most brutal dictators of all time is exactly what is going to help break down the barriers between liberals and moderate conservatives.
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby pacino » Tue Nov 15, 2016 14:14:27

the source said it, presumably someone that was let go (in Rogers' staff), meaning a fellow republican
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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby Doll Is Mine » Tue Nov 15, 2016 14:17:41

Soren wrote:Yea I'm sure comparing Trump internal politics to one of the most brutal dictators of all time is exactly what is going to help break down the barriers between liberals and moderate conservatives.


You're looking at it from a political view but this can not be politics as usual. Not with a potential authoritarian in the White House, who is already exhibiting troubling signs a week after his election.

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Re: The kids aren't alt-right - a politics thread

Postby JUburton » Tue Nov 15, 2016 14:19:33

Kris Kobach favored for AG. That is just great. He was instrumental in drafting that AZ anti immigrant law. He also is not a huge fan of (minority) voting rights.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kris_Kobach
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_SB_1070

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