Doll Is Mine wrote:Wasn't Beck the guy on FOX News with the dry erase board?

td11 wrote:

Werthless wrote:

td11 wrote:haven't really heard from any board conservatives about how they're feeling about their Grand Ol Party...

no one cares.

it's more important than ever for conservatives to call out what the GOP has become, but you're right, no one cares

Youseff wrote:

slugsrbad wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

td11 wrote:haven't really heard from any board conservatives about how they're feeling about their Grand Ol Party...

Why the fuck would anyone who is anything but 100% in line with opposing every aspect of Trump waste any time posting here given what you, soren, etc. have been posting in this thread? This is apparently not the time or place for nuance.

I think this is a fair-ish point. Worse case scenario for "normal" conservatives is our worst case scenario (Trump going full alt-right), but the best case scenario is that Trump trends towards "normal" conservative and JH gets most of what he would have wanted out of a Rubio or Bush. If he is seen celebrating now, or in the future, he would be shouting down for celebrating the accomplishments of a xenophobic, racist, bigoted, insecure pig.

It's not an enviable position to be in, and I'm sure JH is uncertain and perhaps fearful of his party's future.

I think anyone should be scared about the party's future, but there has to be a huge acknowledgement that this is their Frankenstein's Monster. Giving a bunch of looney tunes a voice in that party's political process created this, and that party establishment should receive a large share of the blame for that.

Werthless wrote:

td11 wrote:

Werthless wrote:

td11 wrote:haven't really heard from any board conservatives about how they're feeling about their Grand Ol Party...

no one cares.

it's more important than ever for conservatives to call out what the GOP has become, but you're right, no one cares

No one wants to hear from conservatives on this board. Seriously. You prefer an echo chamber. Ask brantt.

CHARLESTON, W.Va. (AP) -- A local West Virginia official said she has been placed on leave after she made a racist post on Facebook about first lady Michelle Obama.

Clay County Development Corp. director Pamela Ramsey Taylor made the post following Republican Donald Trump's election as president, saying: "It will be refreshing to have a classy, beautiful, dignified First Lady in the White House. I'm tired of seeing a Ape in heels."

Clay Mayor Beverly Whaling responded: "Just made my day Pam."

Werthless wrote:

td11 wrote:

Werthless wrote:

td11 wrote:haven't really heard from any board conservatives about how they're feeling about their Grand Ol Party...

no one cares.

it's more important than ever for conservatives to call out what the GOP has become, but you're right, no one cares

No one wants to hear from conservatives on this board. Seriously. You prefer an echo chamber. Ask brantt.

pacino wrote:

Doll Is Mine wrote:Wasn't Beck the guy on FOX News with the dry erase board?

and called President Obama a racist, etc . FOX NEws dropped him despite great ratings because he had so many boycotts against him for that comment that he was losing them ad revenue.
whichever side he's on at the moment he's a fraud.

She said she is "ready" for her ex-husband to take office, noting that the campaign was tough for him because he "doesn't like to be moved and traveled."

"The last 18 months, he traveled as much as he ever has in his life," she said. "Thank God he has his private plane, but still, it was brutal. It's not going to get any better; it will get worse in the White House."

Adding, “Woman wasn’t created first. The man was created first. The woman was created second. I believe that’s how God wanted the pecking order to be.”

pacino wrote:

Youseff wrote:Glenn Beck is speaking out against Bannon. I've never listened to his radio show and really never plan to, so I don't know if this is his new MO, but it shows you how arbitrary political boundaries can be. Beck was never short on the Hitler imagery when talking about Obama.

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Beck is an opportunist. He went into political radio when it was a cash cow. I doubt anything he's ever said was real. If he converts some of his listeners to understanding BLM better, then so be it I guess.

Doll Is Mine wrote:

Former WWE writer Vince Russo has never been afraid to express his opinions … most recently sharing the fact that he doesn’t believe women were created to be leaders.

Russo expressed his opinion on today’s episode of The Brand by saying, “As a Christian man, as a believer of The Bible, I don’t believe that women were created to be leaders. I don’t believe a woman was created to run this country based on the fact that the woman was taken from the man’s rib.”

Adding, “Woman wasn’t created first. The man was created first. The woman was created second. I believe that’s how God wanted the pecking order to be.”

Russo does, however, admit that his perceived role of women is important … saying, “I think that women have the most important job! I think giving birth and rearing kids and raising kids, and molding and shaping other human beings is more important than being a leader.”

The pundit then goes on to take issue with a listener who labeled him as sexist for his views, but defends his position that men and women aren’t created equal because they have different genitalia.

Werthless wrote:

td11 wrote:

Werthless wrote:

td11 wrote:haven't really heard from any board conservatives about how they're feeling about their Grand Ol Party...

no one cares.

it's more important than ever for conservatives to call out what the GOP has become, but you're right, no one cares

No one wants to hear from conservatives on this board. Seriously. You prefer an echo chamber. Ask brantt.

JFLNYC wrote:

Adding, “Woman wasn’t created first. The man was created first. The woman was created second. I believe that’s how God wanted the pecking order to be.”

Of course you could also interpret it as God making women Human 2.0.

Werthless wrote:

td11 wrote:

Werthless wrote:

td11 wrote:haven't really heard from any board conservatives about how they're feeling about their Grand Ol Party...

no one cares.

it's more important than ever for conservatives to call out what the GOP has become, but you're right, no one cares

No one wants to hear from conservatives on this board. Seriously. You prefer an echo chamber. Ask brantt.

pacino wrote:

Werthless wrote:

td11 wrote:

Werthless wrote:

td11 wrote:haven't really heard from any board conservatives about how they're feeling about their Grand Ol Party...

no one cares.

it's more important than ever for conservatives to call out what the GOP has become, but you're right, no one cares

No one wants to hear from conservatives on this board. Seriously. You prefer an echo chamber. Ask brantt.

I enjoy it and don't think i've been very belittling. i DO think it's obvious that the way the Republicans have ginned up their base over the past 30 years that this is at their feet (example: McConnell immediately saying nothing can be done about coal after 2 years of railing on the 'war against coal'). me saying that shouldn't mean that you just go away.

I asked questions of brantt. He didn't appear to want to converse back and forth all that much. you have in the past. how exactly are you approaching the coming administration?

Werthless wrote:

pacino wrote:

Werthless wrote:

td11 wrote:

Werthless wrote:

td11 wrote:haven't really heard from any board conservatives about how they're feeling about their Grand Ol Party...

no one cares.

it's more important than ever for conservatives to call out what the GOP has become, but you're right, no one cares

No one wants to hear from conservatives on this board. Seriously. You prefer an echo chamber. Ask brantt.

I enjoy it and don't think i've been very belittling. i DO think it's obvious that the way the Republicans have ginned up their base over the past 30 years that this is at their feet (example: McConnell immediately saying nothing can be done about coal after 2 years of railing on the 'war against coal'). me saying that shouldn't mean that you just go away.

I asked questions of brantt. He didn't appear to want to converse back and forth all that much. you have in the past. how exactly are you approaching the coming administration?

There is a core group of folks that post regularly in this thread, and the composition of the active posters have changed in the last few years. dajafi went away. Vox never posts here. TV posts make a low proportion of the politics posts here. I'm surely missing a few other thoughtful posters who no longer post regularly. These were the posters that enjoyed to debate, and would not get worked up when posting with someone who disagreed with them. There are still good posters who post in this thread. This is why I still read this thread, basically every word, but it only frustrates me to engage in any kind of depth or nuance. Instead of debate, there is a lot of emotion, anger, name-calling, and shouting down people instead of engaging. I'm amazed every time that jerseyhoya engages and posts a thoughtful 1000 words, which he does time and again, despite getting shit upon here.

I don't have a desire to post regularly about politics on this board, for the above reasons. However, this election has awakened a desire, or maybe a feeling of obligation, for me to re-engage with open-minded people to discuss politics. As a social libertarian and fiscal conservative, (Most young people I know describe themselves as socially liberal and fiscally conservative) I've realized it's important for people with this set of views to be more assertive in moving the direction of this country. Right now, they don't have a home.

This election was basically a rebellion. A rebellion against basic norms of political discourse, a rebellion of conservatives being told what they couldn't say, a rebellion against a political elite, a rebellion against the concept that the existing government oligarchy protects the interests of the middle class. Wrong or right, that's why Trump won, and that's why the GOP is no longer the opposition party. Nobody really knows what's going to happen... America elected a person who hates rules, customs and government, and we elected him to run the executive branch of our government. And we gave him a Congress to support him. Yes, that is a bit frightening for anyone with socially liberal views, as it appears that the folks in this executive branch are sympathetic to the social norms from 50 years ago.

Tying it back to this thread, and td11's initial request for conservative opinions, my personal instinct now is to seek out any reason for hope. Basically, I'll take any branch, any lifeline. Any decision that is ok, that is not bad, is something I want to hold on and champion under "We may be ok." But that's not really welcome here, especially now, because people are angry. And I don't enjoy posting something in this thread, and then getting shouted at. After putting my kids to bed, if I check this thread, I really don't feel like reading "Werthless is an asshole" before I go to sleep. Even if it's just the internet, and even if it comes from someone I have zero respect for, I am not yet completely numb inside; it still affects me. So I will continue to read, to post a single sentence here and there, but this place will not be the place where I formulate my thoughts and share them. But thanks for asking. I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling. Gotta make you understand. Never gonna give you up. Never gonna let you down. Never gonna run around and desert you. Never gonna make you cry. Never gonna say goodbye. Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you.