slugsrbad wrote:

SK790 wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:

slugsrbad wrote:

SK790 wrote:

Werthless wrote:

SK790 wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:Uh, the Affordable Care Act, the most progressive healthcare legislation in American history passed in 2010.

It's farther to the left than our old policy which was super conservative. Anything without single payer can't be considered liberal at this point.

Did we previously have healthcare legislation more progressive than the ACA? I genuinely don't know, but didnt think so. It was correctly viewed as a big win for Obama, arguments about No True Scotsman notwithstanding.

nope, didn't say we did.

it was a big win.

that doesn't mean it's centrist by an actual view of politics instead of a skewed American view.

Why wouldn't we judge American politics on the American political spectrum?

And what country are we basing it off of

Surprisingly, what's liberal and conservative isn't limited just based on what is going on in America. Other people in other countries also exist and have political ideas.

Yes, but we are Americans discussing American politics and legislature. What's the point of judging bills on some grand unified spectrum?

You can say that there are more progressive/liberal options out there while also understanding that the ACA was liberal.

Liberal and conservative have meanings that go beyond American politics. Why can't you accept that?

There are also way more conservative countries. So what's the scale here? Is it weighted? What countries get included and excluded?

SK790 wrote:

slugsrbad wrote:

SK790 wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:

slugsrbad wrote:

SK790 wrote:

Werthless wrote:

SK790 wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:Uh, the Affordable Care Act, the most progressive healthcare legislation in American history passed in 2010.

It's farther to the left than our old policy which was super conservative. Anything without single payer can't be considered liberal at this point.

Did we previously have healthcare legislation more progressive than the ACA? I genuinely don't know, but didnt think so. It was correctly viewed as a big win for Obama, arguments about No True Scotsman notwithstanding.

nope, didn't say we did.

it was a big win.

that doesn't mean it's centrist by an actual view of politics instead of a skewed American view.

Why wouldn't we judge American politics on the American political spectrum?

And what country are we basing it off of

Surprisingly, what's liberal and conservative isn't limited just based on what is going on in America. Other people in other countries also exist and have political ideas.

Yes, but we are Americans discussing American politics and legislature. What's the point of judging bills on some grand unified spectrum?
You can say that there are more progressive/liberal options out there while also understanding that the ACA was liberal.

Liberal and conservative have meanings that go beyond American politics. Why can't you accept that?

It's true. In many countries the liberals are the good ones.

SK790 wrote:Liberal and conservative have meanings that go beyond American politics. Why can't you accept that?

I can, but whats the point of you shitting on American liberalism? We aren't Switzerland but we are a whole hell of a lot better than a lot of other places.

NYTimes all in a tizzy about "drumpf's July fundraising", but a breakdown suggests most of the dough was the RNC's doing: $16 million drumpf, $60+ million RNC. if I'm RNC I wave it under his pig nose and tell him to get in line or he's fucked on his "campaign loan"

drsmooth wrote:NYTimes all in a tizzy about "drumpf's July fundraising", but a breakdown suggests most of the dough was the RNC's doing: $16 million drumpf, $60+ million RNC. if I'm RNC I wave it under his pig nose and tell him to get in line or he's fucked on his "campaign loan"

Yup.

I can't remember whose show it was (I believe Rachel Maddow's) but Trump told the RNC to start raising money because he's not doing it.

How can he worry about raising money for the RNC when he has to Make America Great Again

https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedAndrew/stat ... 0058080257

Not sure if he's dumb or just lazy, but he has shown zero interest in learning even the basics about fairly important issues. Dunno how you go to Florida without an answer on Zika.

jerseyhoya wrote:https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedAndrew/status/760990970058080257

Not sure if he's dumb or just lazy, but he has shown zero interest in learning even the basics about fairly important issues. Dunno how you go to Florida without an answer on Zika.

slugsrbad wrote:

SK790 wrote:Liberal and conservative have meanings that go beyond American politics. Why can't you accept that?

I can, but whats the point of you shitting on American liberalism? We aren't Switzerland but we are a whole hell of a lot better than a lot of other places.

Because this brand of American liberalism is weak tea.

Wonder how long before Trump starts openly talking about the Illuminati and/or New World Order?

jerseyhoya wrote:

SK790 wrote:

slugsrbad wrote:

SK790 wrote:

CalvinBall wrote:

slugsrbad wrote:

SK790 wrote:

Werthless wrote:

SK790 wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:Uh, the Affordable Care Act, the most progressive healthcare legislation in American history passed in 2010.

It's farther to the left than our old policy which was super conservative. Anything without single payer can't be considered liberal at this point.

Did we previously have healthcare legislation more progressive than the ACA? I genuinely don't know, but didnt think so. It was correctly viewed as a big win for Obama, arguments about No True Scotsman notwithstanding.

nope, didn't say we did.

it was a big win.

that doesn't mean it's centrist by an actual view of politics instead of a skewed American view.

Why wouldn't we judge American politics on the American political spectrum?

And what country are we basing it off of

Surprisingly, what's liberal and conservative isn't limited just based on what is going on in America. Other people in other countries also exist and have political ideas.

Yes, but we are Americans discussing American politics and legislature. What's the point of judging bills on some grand unified spectrum?
You can say that there are more progressive/liberal options out there while also understanding that the ACA was liberal.

Liberal and conservative have meanings that go beyond American politics. Why can't you accept that?

It's true. In many countries the liberals are the good ones.

Your party nominated Trump.

pacino wrote:The Republican running for governor of Missouri since he just won the primary:



He's backed by Sheldon Adelson, casino magnate

I'm pretty sure Adelson isn't even alive anymore and he's found a way to use all his money and some crazy eastern medicine to remain functioning in a semi-zombie state, just so he can help install the type of government any self respecting Jew should hate..

Kind of interesting - Tailgunner Greitens made no mention about bravely fighting to resist Medicaid expansion under the evil Obamacare. And his R competitors are MUCH more aggressively against it (maybe because they seem more agressively uninformed about it).

And he sits to shoot. What a pussy. He looks about as warriorlike as a guy mowing his lawn

Clinton up big in new PA, MI, and NH polls.

The Nightman Cometh wrote:Clinton up big in new PA, MI, and NH polls.

Excellent. Barring some type of wikileaks disaster, it's over. She doesn't even need FLa or Oh.

Take NH, PA, MI, Wi, Col, and VA....272. Game over.

Trent Steele wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:Clinton up big in new PA, MI, and NH polls.

Excellent. Barring some type of wikileaks disaster, it's over. She doesn't even need FLa or Oh.

Take NH, PA, MI, Wi, Col, and VA....272. Game over.

Dammit not good enough, I want a landslide with the senate changing to blue and the house gaining back a bunch of seats (unrealistic to think they can get 30)

The Crimson Cyclone wrote:

Trent Steele wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:Clinton up big in new PA, MI, and NH polls.

Excellent. Barring some type of wikileaks disaster, it's over. She doesn't even need FLa or Oh.

Take NH, PA, MI, Wi, Col, and VA....272. Game over.

Dammit not good enough, I want a landslide with the senate changing to blue and the house gaining back a bunch of seats (unrealistic to think they can get 30)

Primary goal = avoid nuclear holocaust

did we ever find the bastard who shat down trent's chimney?

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016 ... .html?_r=0

Paths to victory interactive at the bottom is pretty fun. So nice to click PA and VA (which I think are absolute locks) and see 253 paths to 2. Add NV and it's already over.