SK790 wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:

SK790 wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:Uh, the Affordable Care Act, the most progressive healthcare legislation in American history passed in 2010.

It's farther to the left than our old policy which was super conservative. Anything without single payer can't be considered liberal at this point.

That's just not true.

thanks for the take

pacino wrote:Maureen Dowd wrote an entire column about how President Obama endorsing Hillary Clinton basically shows him to be a fraud. Basically, he thought she wasn't as qualified as him 8 years ago, so why now?! yes, the leader of the party endorses its nominee for president....FRAUD

She is so weird.

The Nightman Cometh wrote:

SK790 wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:

SK790 wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:Uh, the Affordable Care Act, the most progressive healthcare legislation in American history passed in 2010.

It's farther to the left than our old policy which was super conservative. Anything without single payer can't be considered liberal at this point.

That's just not true.

thanks for the take

It's pretty self apparent that when a bill gets passed by exclusively democratic members of congress and then the liberal hold on Congress gets slaughtered in the following election that the ACA was in fact Liberal legislation. I realize it doesn't reach your standards, but policy does not need a rubber stamp from you to be correctly considered progressive or liberal.

Woody wrote:

pacino wrote:Maureen Dowd wrote an entire column about how President Obama endorsing Hillary Clinton basically shows him to be a fraud. Basically, he thought she wasn't as qualified as him 8 years ago, so why now?! yes, the leader of the party endorses its nominee for president....FRAUD

She is so weird.

Even if that silly argument was legit and not just campaign politics, does she at least acknowledge Hillary has done some stuff since 2008?

(didn't read the article)

SK790 wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:

SK790 wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:Uh, the Affordable Care Act, the most progressive healthcare legislation in American history passed in 2010.

It's farther to the left than our old policy which was super conservative. Anything without single payer can't be considered liberal at this point.

That's just not true.

thanks for the take

pacino wrote:

Woody wrote:

pacino wrote:Maureen Dowd wrote an entire column about how President Obama endorsing Hillary Clinton basically shows him to be a fraud. Basically, he thought she wasn't as qualified as him 8 years ago, so why now?! yes, the leader of the party endorses its nominee for president....FRAUD

She is so weird.

Even if that silly argument was legit and not just campaign politics, does she at least acknowledge Hillary has done some stuff since 2008?

(didn't read the article)

No, the only thing regarding Clinton doing anything in the past 8 years was her mention of Comey and the FBI. The unsaid premise of the snark article centers around the idea that Obama sold his soul to the Clintons to get her support 8 years ago and this is 'icy pragmatism' payback. And that's a bad thing because Dowd greatly dislikes the Clintons...that enough should be reason not to endorse your successor I guess?

JFLNYC wrote:

pacino wrote:

Woody wrote:

pacino wrote:Maureen Dowd wrote an entire column about how President Obama endorsing Hillary Clinton basically shows him to be a fraud. Basically, he thought she wasn't as qualified as him 8 years ago, so why now?! yes, the leader of the party endorses its nominee for president....FRAUD

She is so weird.

Even if that silly argument was legit and not just campaign politics, does she at least acknowledge Hillary has done some stuff since 2008?

(didn't read the article)

No, the only thing regarding Clinton doing anything in the past 8 years was her mention of Comey and the FBI. The unsaid premise of the snark article centers around the idea that Obama sold his soul to the Clintons to get her support 8 years ago and this is 'icy pragmatism' payback. And that's a bad thing because Dowd greatly dislikes the Clintons...that enough should be reason not to endorse your successor I guess?

Yeah, Dowd has a pathological hatred for the Clintons. She used to be fun to read, but she's totally jumped the shark.

SK790 wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:

SK790 wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:

SK790 wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:Uh, the Affordable Care Act, the most progressive healthcare legislation in American history passed in 2010.

It's farther to the left than our old policy which was super conservative. Anything without single payer can't be considered liberal at this point.

That's just not true.

thanks for the take

It's pretty self apparent that when a bill gets passed by exclusively democratic members of congress and then the liberal hold on Congress gets slaughtered in the following election that the ACA was in fact Liberal legislation. I realize it doesn't reach your standards, but policy does not need a rubber stamp from you to be correctly considered progressive or liberal.

every time you post something as worthless and condescending as this, i want to spend like 30 minutes constructing a post about how many bad arguments you made or how many fake arguments you've constructed from my statements, but then i realize it's not worth it and move on with my day.

drsmooth wrote:

SK790 wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:

SK790 wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:Uh, the Affordable Care Act, the most progressive healthcare legislation in American history passed in 2010.

It's farther to the left than our old policy which was super conservative. Anything without single payer can't be considered liberal at this point.

That's just not true.

thanks for the take

you two have moved on to the more important business of name-calling, but with respect to ACA this disinterested party feels you both have it partly right

#oldskoolpolitics

The Crimson Cyclone wrote:

SK790 wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:

SK790 wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:

SK790 wrote:

The Nightman Cometh wrote:Uh, the Affordable Care Act, the most progressive healthcare legislation in American history passed in 2010.

It's farther to the left than our old policy which was super conservative. Anything without single payer can't be considered liberal at this point.

That's just not true.

thanks for the take

It's pretty self apparent that when a bill gets passed by exclusively democratic members of congress and then the liberal hold on Congress gets slaughtered in the following election that the ACA was in fact Liberal legislation. I realize it doesn't reach your standards, but policy does not need a rubber stamp from you to be correctly considered progressive or liberal.

every time you post something as worthless and condescending as this, i want to spend like 30 minutes constructing a post about how many bad arguments you made or how many fake arguments you've constructed from my statements, but then i realize it's not worth it and move on with my day.

why can't you guys use nuclear weapons on each other?

The Nightman Cometh wrote:I'm not the one who thinks the American political spectrum should be redefined based on my personal views, weirdo.

TenuredVulture wrote:I am sticking to the idea that the qualities that make Hillary a less than awesome campaigner will in fact make her an exceptionally effective President, a mirror image of her husband. While like many I'm not a huge fan of Hillary, I do think she's the one Democrat who can bring a Republican Congress to heal, or at least make them pay a significant political cost for continuing their obstruction.

[NJ] Senate President Stephen Sweeney said Wednesday said threats by public worker unions to withhold campaign contributions unless the Senate puts a proposed constitutional amendment guaranteeing pension payments on the fall ballot amounts to "bribery" and "extortion" and should be investigated by state and federal officials.

The Crimson Cyclone wrote:

TenuredVulture wrote:I am sticking to the idea that the qualities that make Hillary a less than awesome campaigner will in fact make her an exceptionally effective President, a mirror image of her husband. While like many I'm not a huge fan of Hillary, I do think she's the one Democrat who can bring a Republican Congress to heal, or at least make them pay a significant political cost for continuing their obstruction.

what would she do that Obama can't or won't try?