I want to see a third party entry if Trump gets the nomination.

Not Bloomberg, who might take votes from Hillary and give the election to Chump.

Instead, a ticket of Jeff Foxworthy and Tim Allen. That should split the redneck vote off from Chump. Too bad Dale Earnhardt is dead.

TomatoPie wrote: Too bad Dale Earnhardt is dead.

He certainly had the right # for the job

Smoove showing his NASCAR street cred.

JFLNYC wrote:Smoove showing his NASCAR street cred.

I'm amanatha people

really wanting trumo to cease to be. He's more than a punchable face - he's a punchable existence

So apparently not every Christie fan is a fan of his trumo endorsement:



True fact: Whitman's a Christie for President campaign finance co-chair

Maine's openly racist governor Paul LePage endorsed Donald Trump. gonna get all the white girls pregnant.

Trump looking especially orange this morning

Rick Snyder's office knew about the lead in March 2015. They knew about the legionnaires disease in january 2015.

pacino wrote:Rick Snyder's office knew about the lead in March 2015. They knew about the legionnaires disease in january 2015.

I cannot believe that asshole won a second term. A better run campaign by Schauer and he wouldn't have, and then this mess doesn't happen.

I voted a few days ago for Hillary. I am inspired by Sanders, but ultimately I understand in politics, prudence trumps ideals every time.

I think this is the kind of narrative the Hillary people need to set up--turn her weakness (a perceived into a strength. I wonder if the "I'm fighting for you" isn't part of that. The unspoken sub text is "I'm fighting for you. I fight to win. If I have to take a few ethical shortcuts to do that, if I have to take the gloves off to win, that's what I'll do."

Also, I've pretty much figured out Trump--it's not one thing, it's a confluence of several factors. The fact that many R voters are either racists or if not white supremacists are at least ethnic identifiers is important, especially when you consider his two strongest opponents are brown. There's also the fact that the R part has cultivated and exploited anger an unease for at least a decade--Trump is simply much better at exploiting what has been cultivated for some time. The final area, one few people have noted, but one that I think is really central is the fact that social conservatives have been exploited by the Republican party for over 35 years now, and they have absolutely nothing to show for it. While I predicted that they would eventually leave the R party, most likely by retreating into their own "homeschooling" networks, instead of retreating some of them anyway are supporting Trump because not because they want the system blown up, but from their perspective the system is already blown up and Trump success is nothing more or less than an articulation of that fact.

So, I think the trump coalition is made up of three kinds of people--racists, angry people, and disappointed social conservatives. There's obviously some overlap, but I actually think the first group is the loudest but also the smallest. The second group is also loud, but probably the largest. And the third group is the quietest.

If my analysis is correct, it explains why nothing that happens has any large impact on Trump's support. His supporters aren't motivated by policy agreement or perceived competence or even identity. And the fact that he's perceived as unelectable is probably a feature, not a bug, at least with the second two groups.

Trump's already started his bank to the left. He praised PP during the last debate (while also claiming he would defund them) and has hinted that his healthplan would be left leaning. Bernie's made healthcare a major talking point during his campaign and there's a good chance Trump's plan instead of Hillary's would be closer to Bernie's plan.

Trump winning the Republican nom is only the tip of the iceberg for how weird this summer is going to get.

Gimpy wrote:Trump's already started his bank to the left. He praised PP during the last debate (while also claiming he would defund them) and has hinted that his healthplan would be left leaning. Bernie's made healthcare a major talking point during his campaign and there's a good chance Trump's plan instead of Hillary's would be closer to Bernie's plan.

Trump winning the Republican nom is only the tip of the iceberg for how weird this summer is going to get.

He's had positions on the left all along. The thing that so many people don't understand is that the social conservatives may not like welfare, and they don't like taxes, but they're not at all enthusiastic about free trade, wall street, or small government. I think even the opposition to the ACA has mostly waned for these people. And many of them are dependent on Social Security and Medicare, so they really like those things.

Now Triump's fascism is official. He quotes Mussolini:

Donald J. Trump
Donald J. Trump – Verified account ‏@realDonaldTrump

"@ilduce2016: “It is better to live one day as a lion than 100 years as a sheep.” – @realDonaldTrump #MakeAmericaGreatAgain"
3:13 AM - 28 Feb 2016
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And fails to disavow the support of David Duke:

Donald J. Trump declined on Sunday to disavow the support of David Duke, the white nationalist and ex-Ku Klux Klansman, who has called Mr. Trump “by far the best candidate.”

he disavowed him during the christie endorsement fiasco

Bucky wrote:he disavowed him during the christie endorsement fiasco

well, he allowed as to how he didn't know who Duke is.

And yet he insists qualified to be POTUS

TenuredVulture wrote:I voted a few days ago for Hillary. I am inspired by Sanders, but ultimately I understand in politics, prudence trumps ideals every time.

I think this is the kind of narrative the Hillary people need to set up--turn her weakness (a perceived into a strength. I wonder if the "I'm fighting for you" isn't part of that. The unspoken sub text is "I'm fighting for you. I fight to win. If I have to take a few ethical shortcuts to do that, if I have to take the gloves off to win, that's what I'll do."

Also, I've pretty much figured out Trump--it's not one thing, it's a confluence of several factors. The fact that many R voters are either racists or if not white supremacists are at least ethnic identifiers is important, especially when you consider his two strongest opponents are brown. There's also the fact that the R part has cultivated and exploited anger an unease for at least a decade--Trump is simply much better at exploiting what has been cultivated for some time. The final area, one few people have noted, but one that I think is really central is the fact that social conservatives have been exploited by the Republican party for over 35 years now, and they have absolutely nothing to show for it. While I predicted that they would eventually leave the R party, most likely by retreating into their own "homeschooling" networks, instead of retreating some of them anyway are supporting Trump because not because they want the system blown up, but from their perspective the system is already blown up and Trump success is nothing more or less than an articulation of that fact.

So, I think the trump coalition is made up of three kinds of people--racists, angry people, and disappointed social conservatives. There's obviously some overlap, but I actually think the first group is the loudest but also the smallest. The second group is also loud, but probably the largest. And the third group is the quietest.

If my analysis is correct, it explains why nothing that happens has any large impact on Trump's support. His supporters aren't motivated by policy agreement or perceived competence or even identity. And the fact that he's perceived as unelectable is probably a feature, not a bug, at least with the second two groups.

Great breakdown. I have two things to add to it, based mostly on wasting a lot of time on political websites because the GOP meltdown fascinates me.

1. A lot of the social conservatives who have realized that they've been played by the GOP establishment seem to be for Cruz, since unlike Trump he shares their beliefs. But some are for Trump because of Cruz' weasilyness and his ties to big banks.

2. There's a subset that doesn't quite fit in to your categories, which are people who want the parties to stop dicking around with social issues and focus on improving the economic situation of the middle class. Trump appeals to them because of his talk about tariffs and whatnot. Many of this group is Republican, but some are Democrats and independents as well.

As uncomfortable as this may Bern, Trump and Sanders are both symptoms of the same problem.

People who see themselves as ordinary Americans feel that politicians on the left and on the right are not representing their interests. Trump and Sanders both know that, and they speak to the disaffected.

Their popularity comes from their unmitigated finger pointing. No matter that their solutions are hare-brained; folks have latched onto the fact that these guys are different and "troof tellers." No time for analysis of how they'd actually govern. You have to throw the bums out first and let's try these fresh new guys.

Sanders may be lovable while Trump is abominable, but they are equally clueless. I'd vote Sanders over Trump, simply because a kindly curmudgeon is preferable to an angry moron. But his bread and circuses and kill-the-bankers act is no more plausible than Trump's gas-the-Mexican-Muslims approach.

Trump and Sanders are not the problem - they are symptoms.

That's incredibly simple

The vice-chair of the DNC stepped down to support Bernie.



She could've just played it like DWS and used her position to do everything she can to support her candidate while ignoring her actual responsibilities.