If you're a Democrat and won't vote for clinton in the general election maybe you're not thinking long-term or what's best for the country.

pacino wrote:

jerseyhoya wrote:

TomatoPie wrote:Dems Will Do the Hatchet Job on DumbOld Chump

http://americanfuturefund.com/we-cant-t ... nald-trump

Three ads there hitting him on Trump University going up from an outside conservative group. The money floodgates are finally opening. It's amazing this didn't start months ago, and to the eternal shame of The Establishment and anyone else in a position to do something if this ends up being too late. But let us not give up hope.

Sounds like they're just trying to smear a businessman who wants to make money and help people. Tsk tsk

so wait...we are rooting for the establishment?

pacino wrote:If you're a Democrat and won't vote for clinton in the general election maybe you're not thinking long-term or what's best for the country.

I've been leaning towards voting for Sanders but I've ultimately decided to vote for Clinton and will do so in the general election. Following both races closely, I'd say Hillary is by far the best candidate. I love Sanders and he's served a purpose in this election but to me, Hillary has earned my vote due to several reasons, plus she's fucking badass.

Doll Is Mine wrote:

pacino wrote:If you're a Democrat and won't vote for clinton in the general election maybe you're not thinking long-term or what's best for the country.

I've been leaning towards voting for Sanders but I've ultimately decided to vote for Clinton and will do so in the general election. Following both races closely, I'd say Hillary is by far the best candidate. I love Sanders and he's served a purpose in this election but to me, Hillary has earned my vote due to several reasons, plus she's fucking badass.

I've never been a huge Clinton fan, but if there's one thing she proved in the Benghazi hearings, it's that she IS a badass.

But really, she is by far the most informed and experienced candidate on either side. It's not really close. I do have concerns that she will never be a true progressive in the sense that she's so entrenched in the politics of Washington that she most likely won't do much to upset the applecart there, but I do think she'll make incremental progress in the direction I want us to go. And if something does go down, she's the person I would want there.

The thing about Sanders is that he's the only candidate who I think might actually make a sea change in the direction we're going, so I get the urge to swing for the fences. Given that we're still in the primaries, I'll vote for him if it's not decided by the time it gets to PA. I'm not convinced he has a worse chance than Hillary in the general. People say he's a one issue candidate, but I think he can tie his one issue to nearly every other issue to show that the key underlying problem is the growing concentration of wealth for a small number of people. Even our foreign policy is tied to this because big business is making a killing off our excursions abroad while our infrastructure is crumbling. We could be using defense money to build bridges and roads and a new power/electrical infrastructure, things that would get people jobs, but instead we're paying crazy sums to the Haliburtons of the world to deliver substandard meal packets to troops, etc. People will get it, and it won't matter if he's a one issue guy. Certainly polls show he would do as well as her.

So I think Clinton is the most "ready" candidate on either side, but for right now Bernie has my vote. However, I am willing and prepared to coalesce around Clinton if/when the time comes.

mozartpc27 wrote:What I wonder is if Rubio will wish to continue if Super Tuesday does not go well for him. I'm not saying it won't; I sense that it will go well enough for him. But if it doesn't - if he fails to meet the threshold in 3 or 4 states, if he underperforms his polls anywhere, if, to get to the point, his path to the nomination seems to be narrowing rather than opening - why would he want to fight on for the shot at being a "wounded" nominee with about 35% of the party in love with someone else? He is young, he has a career ahead of him - why would he want to continue to a nomination that would leave him weakened heading into the general? I could see him thinking the better play is to let the baby have his bottle, let Trump win the nomination, get wiped off the map in November, and return as the guy who "should" have won in 2016 but who graciously stepped aside to let the people try their experiment.

Thinking about this this morning, if these two polls are in fact accurate:

Quinnipiac 2/21 - 2/24 705 LV 3.7 44 28 12 -- 4 7 Trump +16
PPP (D) 2/24 - 2/25 464 LV 4.6 45 25 10 -- 5 8 Trump +20

I have my doubts about the veracity of the numbers, but they do give one pause.

But if future poll results in Florida after Super Tuesday show similar results (which will at least partly depend, I suppose, on whether Cruz/Kasich continue or not), and if Trump does about as well as polls suggest he will on Super Tuesday, I have to wonder if Rubio will go through with the Florida primary on the 15th, no matter how well he does relative to Cruz and Kasich on ST (of course, those things are somewhat co-dependent: if Rubio does relatively well on Super Tuesday and emerges as the unambiguous Trump alternative, maybe Cruz and Kasich get the memo and drop out, or at least become regarded as afterthoughts by the Republican electorate).

I am sure there will be more polls conducted in Florida, but... if all the available data is telling him he is about to get smoked in his own home state in his own party's PRIMARY... that could be a career tanker. I guess Rubio will go ahead through to the 15th, and I am sure this gap will close, but considering there will be other opportunities for Rubio, if, after Super Tuesday, Trump has a good night, if i were him, I think I'd want to avoid this potential humiliation and live to fight another day.

Virginia ads, maybe you get these too:

Rudio: "the democrats worst nightmare" (only thing that stuck out, but I think the density either don't care or would treat him like red meat in the lion cage.)

Cruz "Honest", "20 year friend of Scalia", "ready to defend the constation". Problems are that he has made comments that are for some base that would indicte that he is ready to ignore the constitution and supreme court rulings, the justice said that he did not remember Cruz, making him a bit of a liar.

Clinton's ad is completely vanilla just focused on here history. Hell, without sound it might be an ad for drugs for elderly women.

Beanie has not had an ad I can recall.

I ignore the trump ads. They are sort of shouting.

Jon Favreau's wonderful piece on Hillary: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... ce=twitter

Our close allies in Saudi Arabia sentenced a man to 10 years in prison, 2000 lashes, and the equivalent of a $5,300 fine for atheist tweets.

Gimpy wrote:Our close allies in Saudi Arabia sentenced a man to 10 years in prison, 2000 lashes, and the equivalent of a $5,300 fine for atheist tweets.

Coming soon to a Southern state near you!

I'm with MB and Robert Reich. Swing for the fences in the primary. Bernie is the better bet in moving the needle in the direction the country needs to go. Hillary will make slight incremental movements but nothing like Bernie is going for. Then in the general support whomever gets the nod. Heck, if the polls are to be believed, Bernie fares much better than H against any R in any of the hypotheticals.

Doll Is Mine wrote:Jon Favreau's wonderful piece on Hillary: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... ce=twitter

This was a lovely read, thank you.

If I thought Bernie could win in the general, I'd vote for him but I just don't see it. If there wasn't a better qualified candidate in the race, I'd perhaps take a chance on him but that's not the case. Hillary is more than capable and quite frankly, I like her and have always liked her.

Doll Is Mine wrote:If I thought Bernie could win in the general, I'd vote for him but I just don't see it. If there wasn't a better qualified candidate in the race, I'd perhaps take a chance on him but that's not the case. Hillary is more than capable and quite frankly, I like her and have always liked her.

I'm voting for the chipmunk raiding my birdfeeder before voting for anything on offer from the rightward element of our political spectrum.

Among the things "learned" in the course of our current deplorable national "leadership" spectacle is that an unhealthy portion of eligible voters are profoundly stupid. Ignorance of socialism is high even among people who can read - & when I'm talking about reading, I'm not talking merely about "can read enough to determine where their seat is at the monster-truck rally". That non-information voter pool doubtless equates socialist with satanist. There's no hope for that contingent, and it's too large to cast a vote for the potentially more "effective" candidate and risk an electoral catastrophe that would make the Harding administration look like a period of multifaceted national success.

drsmooth wrote:

Doll Is Mine wrote:If I thought Bernie could win in the general, I'd vote for him but I just don't see it. If there wasn't a better qualified candidate in the race, I'd perhaps take a chance on him but that's not the case. Hillary is more than capable and quite frankly, I like her and have always liked her.

I'm voting for the chipmunk raiding my birdfeeder before voting for anything on offer from the rightward element of our political spectrum.

Among the things "learned" in the course of our current deplorable national "leadership" spectacle is that an unhealthy portion of eligible voters are profoundly stupid. Ignorance of socialism is high even among people who can read - & when I'm talking about reading, I'm not talking merely about "can read enough to determine where their seat is at the monster-truck rally". That non-information voter pool doubtless equates socialist with satanist. There's no hope for that contingent, and it's too large to cast a vote for the potentially more "effective" candidate and risk an electoral catastrophe that would make the Harding administration look like a period of multifaceted national success.

Well said. I'm looking at the political landscape right now and I don't think taking that kind of risk is smart.

With that said, Bernie Sanders has been hugely successful and in a way has dictated the race, forcing Hillary Clinton to focus on progressive issues that she might not have, while raising awareness for issues like high incarceration, war on drugs, etc.

Doll Is Mine wrote:If I thought Bernie could win in the general, I'd vote for him but I just don't see it.

I don't get this. If Bernie loses the P then you could still vote H in the general.

All the polls show Bernie doing better in the general than Hillary against anyone the R's throw in there (and it's most pronounced against Trump). If you're saying you don't believe that then OK, I disagree, but I can then see why you'd vote H in the primary if you really prefer Bernie.

It would be kind of hilarious if Hillary and Trump are the nominees and they're both in court this summer.

Bucky wrote:

Doll Is Mine wrote:If I thought Bernie could win in the general, I'd vote for him but I just don't see it.

I don't get this. If Bernie loses the P then you could still vote H in the general.

All the polls show Bernie doing better in the general than Hillary against anyone the R's throw in there (and it's most pronounced against Trump). If you're saying you don't believe that then OK, I disagree, but I can then see why you'd vote H in the primary if you really prefer Bernie.

I prefer a Democrat in the White House. Whether that's Hillary or Bernie doesn't make much difference to me simply because their views are actually not that different. Their disagreement seems to be more about process and how we go about achieving things.

So, for me, the choice is ultimately who has a better chance to win in November.

I've seen the general election polls and quite frankly I don't put much stock in them for this reason, Hillary has been vetted and Bernie has not. I genuinely believe that you're opening up a can of worms if you give the Republicans an opportunity to sell Bernie to the American people because I do not have confidence in Bernie or his campaign to properly explain why his form of Socialism is not Communism.

Probably wishful thinking on my part, but recently HRC seems to be warming up to the whole retail politics thing. Noticeably more natural sounding/acting in front of crowds. Less yelling, more purring

Besides if it looks like she'll be rolling up the nomination by April, the new Veep episodes should be off the chain

drsmooth wrote:Probably wishful thinking on my part, but recently HRC seems to be warming up to the whole retail politics thing. Noticeably more natural sounding/acting in front of crowds. Less yelling, more purring

Besides if it looks like she'll be rolling up the nomination by April, the new Veep episodes should be off the chain

I've noticed that as well.

Kinda weird hearing Christie insist that Rubio should show up for work. He was out of NJ half of last year - if you don't count the 25% of the calendar days he was out of state for just part of the day.