Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (politics

Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby Gimpy » Tue Jan 12, 2016 04:54:12



This short video makes it seem like Biden might be feeling the Bern

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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby momadance » Tue Jan 12, 2016 12:39:35



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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby TenuredVulture » Tue Jan 12, 2016 13:57:05

So Trump, totally not surprisingly, has gone all birther on Cruz. Just every so slightly more surprisingly is how little people like Reince Prebus (or however your spell it) have done to make sure people understand just why Cruz should be considered eligible for the Presidency.

I've often said party leaders don't have any real reason to try to win elections, and I think this is evidence of that hypothesis. Here's my logic.
1. Trump can't beat Hillary
2. Cruz is loathed by pretty much everyone
3. Not defending Cruz against these attacks helps Trump gain the R nomination.
4. Republican Leadership doesn't want to win. Or they hate Cruz more than Hillary.

Other evidence to this effect is the fact that for lots of these people, from Smith and Wesson to Rush and probably lots of other as well, having a Democratic President is good for the bottom line. It's a lot easier to fundraise and motivate people when they feel threatened. Huckabee recently said something rather impolitic to that effect.
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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby pacino » Tue Jan 12, 2016 13:59:48

If birthers acknowledge Cruz is eligible they'll have to acknowledge Obama is, TV. So, they wont.
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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby TenuredVulture » Tue Jan 12, 2016 14:04:38

pacino wrote:If birthers acknowledge Cruz is eligible they'll have to acknowledge Obama is, TV. So, they wont.


But it's not birthers, it's mainstream/establishment Republicans who are basically not doing anything to criticize Trump's latest.

What I'm suggesting is if Cruz wins the nomination, he'll be pretty much on his own. The party will devote its resources to trying to hold the Senate, while the VRWC will salivate that the gravy train they've ridden during the 8 years of Obama will roll on during the 4-8 years of Madam President.
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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby pacino » Tue Jan 12, 2016 14:08:07

The party's voters are 50/50 split into birthers and non-birthers. This moves the party in the end.

Personal relationships definitely are real, and everyone hates Cruz, but if they thought he was their best shot they'd flock.
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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby pacino » Tue Jan 12, 2016 14:10:53

I don't think any Republican wins the presidency, and havent. So yeah, I think they'll concentrate on the senate.
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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby slugsrbad » Tue Jan 12, 2016 14:18:07

Apparently the Bern is polling well in NH, IA, and nationally. I did not know.
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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby Bucky » Tue Jan 12, 2016 14:29:34

if they control congress but not the white house, they can continue to maintain their oligarchich policies while blaming the D president when the life of the common folk continues to deteriorate. Win-win!

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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby pacino » Tue Jan 12, 2016 14:39:55

"The Federal Reserve has given us liberal-style, trickle down economics."- Paul Ryan
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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby Gimpy » Tue Jan 12, 2016 14:42:51

Is that a real quote? What is it even supposed to mean?

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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby pacino » Tue Jan 12, 2016 14:45:05

It's a tweet he just put up. Liberals have been shoving trickle-down economics down our throats for too long!
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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby pacino » Tue Jan 12, 2016 14:47:00

Isil bomber in Istanbul killed 10
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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby TenuredVulture » Tue Jan 12, 2016 15:03:15

pacino wrote:The party's voters are 50/50 split into birthers and non-birthers. This moves the party in the end.

Personal relationships definitely are real, and everyone hates Cruz, but if they thought he was their best shot they'd flock.


The other thing is that Cruz birth really was in Canada, and his citizenship (and presumed eligibility for the Presidency) is based on the fact that his mother (though not his father) was a US citizen. The Birther issue in Cruz's case has to do with what "natural born citizen" in the Constitution means.

For Obama, by contrast, the birther issue was based on whackos who believed he was born in Kenya, rather than Hawaii. Thus, all the nonsense about his birth certificate. There were I suppose some people who believed that Obama was born in Hawaii and yet still ineligible because both his parents were not citizens, but those people I think were a tiny group of birthers.
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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby Bucky » Tue Jan 12, 2016 15:03:22

pacino wrote:Isil bomber in Istanbul killed 10



so is that the real reason you cancelled tonight

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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby momadance » Tue Jan 12, 2016 15:09:00

Gimpy wrote:Is that a real quote? What is it even supposed to mean?


Ronald Reagan was a liberal central bank?
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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby slugsrbad » Tue Jan 12, 2016 15:09:58

Bucky wrote:
pacino wrote:Isil bomber in Istanbul killed 10



so is that the real reason you cancelled tonight


He felt it would be insensitive to bowl three strokes in a row.
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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby pacino » Tue Jan 12, 2016 15:32:40

TenuredVulture wrote:
pacino wrote:The party's voters are 50/50 split into birthers and non-birthers. This moves the party in the end.

Personal relationships definitely are real, and everyone hates Cruz, but if they thought he was their best shot they'd flock.


The other thing is that Cruz birth really was in Canada, and his citizenship (and presumed eligibility for the Presidency) is based on the fact that his mother (though not his father) was a US citizen. The Birther issue in Cruz's case has to do with what "natural born citizen" in the Constitution means.

For Obama, by contrast, the birther issue was based on whackos who believed he was born in Kenya, rather than Hawaii. Thus, all the nonsense about his birth certificate. There were I suppose some people who believed that Obama was born in Hawaii and yet still ineligible because both his parents were not citizens, but those people I think were a tiny group of birthers.

Cruz's embrace of originalism should require that he stop running for president.
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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby drsmooth » Tue Jan 12, 2016 15:45:04

TenuredVulture wrote:
pacino wrote:If birthers acknowledge Cruz is eligible they'll have to acknowledge Obama is, TV. So, they wont.


But it's not birthers, it's mainstream/establishment Republicans who are basically not doing anything to criticize Trump's latest.


yeah, as TV's stressed, national level Rs are NOT interested in governing, have no idea how to, couldn't lead their way out of a wet paper sack. It's all about the grift. Being against something is where the money is. Being in charge is being accountable. Yuck - where's the reward in that?

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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Tue Jan 12, 2016 16:44:34

pacino wrote:
TenuredVulture wrote:
pacino wrote:The party's voters are 50/50 split into birthers and non-birthers. This moves the party in the end.

Personal relationships definitely are real, and everyone hates Cruz, but if they thought he was their best shot they'd flock.


The other thing is that Cruz birth really was in Canada, and his citizenship (and presumed eligibility for the Presidency) is based on the fact that his mother (though not his father) was a US citizen. The Birther issue in Cruz's case has to do with what "natural born citizen" in the Constitution means.

For Obama, by contrast, the birther issue was based on whackos who believed he was born in Kenya, rather than Hawaii. Thus, all the nonsense about his birth certificate. There were I suppose some people who believed that Obama was born in Hawaii and yet still ineligible because both his parents were not citizens, but those people I think were a tiny group of birthers.

Cruz's embrace of originalism should require that he stop running for president.

I have yet to see a consistent originalist out there. Certainly not Scalia or Thomas.

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