Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (politics

Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby JUburton » Wed Dec 16, 2015 09:46:22

we have to keep our kids safe! from terrorists (brown ones) with guns! not white people with guns!

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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby drsmooth » Wed Dec 16, 2015 09:51:06

Monkeyboy wrote:Who should they take it back for? Cruz? Rubio? Jeb? The real problem is the GOP has no credible candidate right now....

I would like to see the GOP rethink their direction, but I don't see that ever happening because the money is too entrenched....


When Hewitt asked Turnip whether he'd confirm his commitment to R party, Jeb? - who got some pretty good licks in on the frontrunner - could have jumped in to suggest he withdraw his candidacy instead.

Turnip is no great dealmaker, but he's shown a flair for extortion, and his positively unctuous expression of "commitment" to stay in the R fold should sound an alarm to Priebus and anyone who actually plans to win the nomination: "paying" Turnip to go away will gut you, and possibly your party, generating worse than merely another Presidency without an R in the office.
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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby pacino » Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:09:42

i dont think Cruz knows what carpet bombing is:

What it means is using overwhelming air power to utterly and completely destroy ISIS. To put things in perspective. In the first Persian Gulf War we launched roughly 1,100 air attacks a day. We carpet bombed them for 37 days. Saturation bombing after which our troops went in and mopped up what was left of the Iraqi army. Right now Obama is launching between 15 and 30 air attacks a day. We need to use overwhelming air power and we need to be arming the Kurds and we need to be fighting and killing ISIS where they are.

BLITZER: To be clear, senator Cruz, would you carpet bomb Raqqa, where there are a lot of civilians? Yes or no.
CRUZ: You would carpet bomb where ISIS is. The location of the troops. You use air power directed. But the object isn't to level a city, the object is to kill the ISIS terrorists. To make it, listen, ISIS is gaining strength because the perception is that they're winning. And president Obama fuels that perception.
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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby JUburton » Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:09:43

Didn't realize that Rubio is a 3/2 favorite to win the nomination. It's going to be him and that kind of sucks.

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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby drsmooth » Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:22:17

Cruz was a mealymouth stumblebum last night; Turnip was his rancid, petulant, outright stupid self. Yeah, he's going to shut down the internet.

So much of the loon-right twitter howling was about CNN turning the debate into a foodfight. Hey dumbasses: that was your flush-faced asswipe "leader" ranting & raving about his poll numbers, because that's all he has.
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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby Youseff » Wed Dec 16, 2015 10:40:44

"In my opinion, we've spent $4 trillion trying to topple various people that frankly, if they were there and if we could've spent that $4 trillion in the United States to fix our roads, our bridges, and all of the other problems—our airports and all of the other problems we've had—we would've been a lot better off.

I can tell you that right now. We have done a tremendous disservice, not only to Middle East, we've done a tremendous disservice to humanity. The people that have been killed, the people that have wiped away, and for what? It's not like we had victory. It's a mess. The Middle East is totally destabilized. A total and complete mess.

I wish we had the $4 trillion or $5 trillion. I wish it were spent right here in the United States, on our schools, hospitals, roads, airports, and everything else that are all falling apart."

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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby TenuredVulture » Wed Dec 16, 2015 11:18:49

Bucky wrote:
pacino wrote:Mike Rowe seems like an obtuse dope



yeah. he writes well and speaks well, but is captain of the "I WORKED HARD AND EVERYONE ELSE CAN BE WEALTHY TOO IF THEY JUST WORKED AS HARD" team


As if watching other people work hard and talking about how hard they are working is in fact hard work itself. And it seems most of the time, he's doing it from the warmth and safety of some studio somewhere--he's not even on the crab fishing boat.
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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby Monkeyboy » Wed Dec 16, 2015 12:42:27

pacino wrote:
BLITZER: To be clear, senator Cruz, would you carpet bomb Raqqa, where there are a lot of civilians? Yes or no.
CRUZ: You would carpet bomb where ISIS is. The location of the troops. You use air power directed. But the object isn't to level a city, the object is to kill the ISIS terrorists. To make it, listen, ISIS is gaining strength because the perception is that they're winning. And president Obama fuels that perception.



President Obama fuels that perception? Are you sure it's him and not the nonstop shouting from the right that ISIS is going to undermine our civilization and kill us all, first by getting into our country through the unnecessarily long immigration process and then by installing sharia law??

If ISIS is making headway, it's through the GOP doing exactly what ISIS wants us to do.
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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby pacino » Wed Dec 16, 2015 14:01:50

from the NBC news update on the debate:
On combating ISIS: Where's the real substantive difference with Obama?

Yes, we heard Republican after Republican criticize President Obama's handling of ISIS. But outside of the rhetoric, where are the substantial differences? The differences were more on style and tactics. But cut through the rhetoric and it is hard to find a big strategic difference, beyond Lindsey Graham who is calling for more substantial ground forces. Many of the other Republican candidates are calling for more attacks from the air. Well, Americans have been launching more attacks from the air. Republicans say there need to be U.S. special forces directing Arab/Kurdish ground forces against ISIS. Well, that's what Obama has already proposed. Republicans believe there needs to be a Muslim face to any ground troops, so does this administration. Sure, the rhetoric is different. And the charge from many that this administration hasn't managed the coalition well is fair game, but there isn't a large policy gulf. In fact, take a look at Clinton's speech yesterday and find the substantial POLICY differences. Again, we get the charge that EXECUTING the strategy is where some are critical but the blueprint isn't all that different.
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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby JUburton » Wed Dec 16, 2015 14:02:55

I'm sorry what part of carpet bombing did you not understand

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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby traderdave » Wed Dec 16, 2015 14:12:05

pacino wrote:i dont think Cruz knows what carpet bombing is:

What it means is using overwhelming air power to utterly and completely destroy ISIS. To put things in perspective. In the first Persian Gulf War we launched roughly 1,100 air attacks a day. We carpet bombed them for 37 days. Saturation bombing after which our troops went in and mopped up what was left of the Iraqi army. Right now Obama is launching between 15 and 30 air attacks a day. We need to use overwhelming air power and we need to be arming the Kurds and we need to be fighting and killing ISIS where they are.

BLITZER: To be clear, senator Cruz, would you carpet bomb Raqqa, where there are a lot of civilians? Yes or no.
CRUZ: You would carpet bomb where ISIS is. The location of the troops. You use air power directed. But the object isn't to level a city, the object is to kill the ISIS terrorists. To make it, listen, ISIS is gaining strength because the perception is that they're winning. And president Obama fuels that perception.


Really?!?! Because that is kinda what carpet bombing does. A simple trip to Wikipedia would help Cruz out substantially:

"Carpet bombing, also known as saturation bombing, is a large aerial bombing done in a progressive manner to inflict damage in every part of a selected area of land. The phrase evokes the image of explosions completely covering an area, in the same way that a carpet covers a floor".

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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby The Crimson Cyclone » Wed Dec 16, 2015 14:26:27

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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby smitty » Wed Dec 16, 2015 16:03:29

pacino wrote:i dont think Cruz knows what carpet bombing is:

What it means is using overwhelming air power to utterly and completely destroy ISIS. To put things in perspective. In the first Persian Gulf War we launched roughly 1,100 air attacks a day. We carpet bombed them for 37 days. Saturation bombing after which our troops went in and mopped up what was left of the Iraqi army. Right now Obama is launching between 15 and 30 air attacks a day. We need to use overwhelming air power and we need to be arming the Kurds and we need to be fighting and killing ISIS where they are.

BLITZER: To be clear, senator Cruz, would you carpet bomb Raqqa, where there are a lot of civilians? Yes or no.
CRUZ: You would carpet bomb where ISIS is. The location of the troops. You use air power directed. But the object isn't to level a city, the object is to kill the ISIS terrorists. To make it, listen, ISIS is gaining strength because the perception is that they're winning. And president Obama fuels that perception.


Comparing Desert Storm with the situation with ISIS is like comparing apples with lug nuts. Desert Storm was a war against a huge conventional Army, most of which was located in the desert. No collateral damage when we used iron bombs.

We bombed in populated areas using Laser Guided munitions.

Isis is hiding amongst civilians. Carpet bombing would aid and abet Isis. How come our so called journalists don't call them out regarding this? Are they as ignorant as Cruz and the rest?
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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby traderdave » Wed Dec 16, 2015 17:27:20

You would think that one of the other candidates would be more than happy to point out the contradiction and idiocy of the proposal to make Cruz look stupid but I guess they are similarly clueless. I think we need LG to moderate any debate which includes discussion of matters military. He would have set Cruz straight.

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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby Bucky » Wed Dec 16, 2015 17:31:40

even if they are aware, they won't say anything to risk sound like a dove to the base. Heck, I'm guessing even Cruz knows that this is implausible but he's saying what people want to hear.

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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby pacino » Wed Dec 16, 2015 17:34:48

Moderators aren't allowed to set the record straight. That's choosing sides!!!!
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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Wed Dec 16, 2015 17:38:34

Bucky wrote:even if they are aware, they won't say anything to risk sound like a dove to the base. Heck, I'm guessing even Cruz knows that this is implausible but he's saying what people want to hear.

Exactly.

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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby drsmooth » Wed Dec 16, 2015 18:09:20

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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby drsmooth » Wed Dec 16, 2015 18:10:08

Bucky wrote:even if they are aware, they won't say anything to risk sound like a dove to the base. Heck, I'm guessing even Cruz knows that this is implausible but he's saying what people want to hear.



c'mon guys, Cruz is just joking, just kidding, he's a kidder

and here you all are insisting his carpet doesn't match his japes

he sure fooled YOU
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Re: Um, Donald I said you're demagogue, not a Demi-God (poli

Postby philliesphhan » Wed Dec 16, 2015 18:15:13

Youseff wrote:"In my opinion, we've spent $4 trillion trying to topple various people that frankly, if they were there and if we could've spent that $4 trillion in the United States to fix our roads, our bridges, and all of the other problems—our airports and all of the other problems we've had—we would've been a lot better off.

I can tell you that right now. We have done a tremendous disservice, not only to Middle East, we've done a tremendous disservice to humanity. The people that have been killed, the people that have wiped away, and for what? It's not like we had victory. It's a mess. The Middle East is totally destabilized. A total and complete mess.

I wish we had the $4 trillion or $5 trillion. I wish it were spent right here in the United States, on our schools, hospitals, roads, airports, and everything else that are all falling apart."

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Is there a link to the video of this? Curious how the audience reacted
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