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Re: Paris attacks

Unread postby kruker » Sat Nov 14, 2015 19:24:00

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Re: Paris attacks

Unread postby drsmooth » Sat Nov 14, 2015 19:49:33

jerseyhoya wrote:You didn't like it the last time I posted it either. Points for consistency.


Wood's right that ISIS' hangup about territory is one of their key weaknesses. Another is the whole apocalypse now thing, which was a weakness for Jim Jones, the Branch Davidians, etc, etc.

But then he goes on & on & on parsing ISIS 'theology', like a Baptist preacher close-reading The Good Book.

Pro tip, Mr Wood - any idiot can interpret religious teachings any which way, & never be wrong - not so much because god does or doesn't exist but because fallible humans drew up those teachings, which are all teeming with contradictions.

It's not so much not liking it as feeling like there's a lot less in what he writes than it may look like. I mean, even he says

....continuing to slowly bleed it [ISIS], through air strikes and proxy warfare, appears the best of bad military options.


so that puts him miles ahead of the Jeff Duncans, the Jackie Walorskis, the Mike Turners, the Lindsey Grahams, etc
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Re: Paris attacks

Unread postby Monkeyboy » Sat Nov 14, 2015 20:39:49

The Savior wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:This is one of our long weekends, so we had a ton of students in Paris. None of our students were hurt or anything. They sent a bus to pick all of them up.

I'm in Berlin. I flew out yesterday afternoon and there was a lot of security in Geneva, which usually isn't the case. I have to wonder if they expected something. I had my hands and computer tested for explosives, something that's never happened there.


Think there's a UN Security Council meeting there this weekend. John Kerry among other foreign bigwigs in town.



That would make sense, though there's always something going on there with major political ramifications. It's possible I've just missed those times in the past. I didn't mean it in a conspiratorial way, just that they sometimes suspect something is coming based on intelligence chatter.

Anyway, it sucks. What they hell is wrong with people.
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Re: Paris attacks

Unread postby Stay_Disappointed » Sat Nov 14, 2015 20:48:07

Can't wait to see the republican prez candidates start to call for US military action to defeat ISIS.
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Re: Paris attacks

Unread postby drsmooth » Sat Nov 14, 2015 20:48:17

watching some Shep Smith on Fox. Did they have a major coup at the top there? In half hour I've heard him interview 2-3 people who concluded, with his agreement, that shooting the way to victory vs ISIS/middle east enemies is a non-starter, that it didn't work in the past & won't now, and that solving Syria is a damnable difficult riddle that no one has a good answer for.

No reflexive POTUS bashing, no "gunz alla time" promoting, seemed quite reasonable.

Am I getting old? Or hard of hearing? Or both maybe :(

even the fluff coverage is engaging; interviewing family members of the Eagles of Death Metal now
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Re: Paris attacks

Unread postby The Dude » Sat Nov 14, 2015 20:49:42

Shep is one of the guys on there that sounds reasonable from time to time. Though you may still be getting old
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Re: Paris attacks

Unread postby drsmooth » Sat Nov 14, 2015 20:51:41

The Dude wrote:Shep is one of the guys on there that sounds reasonable from time to time. Though you may still be getting old



:-D yeah thanks for reminding me
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Re: Paris attacks

Unread postby Gimpy » Sat Nov 14, 2015 20:59:39

Monkeyboy wrote:This is one of our long weekends, so we had a ton of students in Paris. None of our students were hurt or anything. They sent a bus to pick all of them up.

I'm in Berlin. I flew out yesterday afternoon and there was a lot of security in Geneva, which usually isn't the case. I have to wonder if they expected something. I had my hands and computer tested for explosives, something that's never happened there.


I was randomly checked like that (computer and hands) in Berlin like two years ago. I think was for drugs though.

I also randomly got pulled aside and had to go through security again (well after I had gone through the first time) in Munich the year before. Pretty weird, especially since I'm white.

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Re: Paris attacks

Unread postby drsmooth » Sat Nov 14, 2015 21:15:37

Gimpy wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:This is one of our long weekends, so we had a ton of students in Paris. None of our students were hurt or anything. They sent a bus to pick all of them up.

I'm in Berlin. I flew out yesterday afternoon and there was a lot of security in Geneva, which usually isn't the case. I have to wonder if they expected something. I had my hands and computer tested for explosives, something that's never happened there.


I was randomly checked like that (computer and hands) in Berlin like two years ago. I think was for drugs though.

I also randomly got pulled aside and had to go through security again (well after I had gone through the first time) in Munich the year before. Pretty weird, especially since I'm white.


I dunno, I've had some suspicions about you myself
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Re: Paris attacks

Unread postby Gimpy » Sat Nov 14, 2015 21:19:47

Well, over 90% of stuff does get by airport security. Guess they'll have to screen me another half dozen times before they find anything.

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Re: Paris attacks

Unread postby Youseff » Sat Nov 14, 2015 21:26:28

I get checked all the time when I leave the country (and re-enter) and some times they bring me into a back room and ask me questions. I'm on a list for some reason.
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Re: Paris attacks

Unread postby Gimpy » Sat Nov 14, 2015 21:35:48

It's for your anti-Hinkie sentiments.

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Re: Paris attacks

Unread postby drsmooth » Sat Nov 14, 2015 21:36:33

oh great, now boarding with you two has probably tainted all of us here

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Re: Paris attacks

Unread postby Gimpy » Sat Nov 14, 2015 21:36:39

My dad and his brothers all got separated and asked a bunch of questions when they were flying to Greece for my grandfather's funeral. Airport security is weird and mostly pointless.

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Re: Paris attacks

Unread postby Slowhand » Sat Nov 14, 2015 21:43:06

Youseff wrote:I get checked all the time when I leave the country (and re-enter) and some times they bring me into a back room and ask me questions. I'm on a list for some reason.


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Re: Paris attacks

Unread postby The Dude » Sat Nov 14, 2015 21:46:50

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Re: Paris attacks

Unread postby drsmooth » Sat Nov 14, 2015 21:50:45

one of the "news" bits floating about is the finding of a Syrian passport on/near a self-blown-up guy, the insinuation being he's a blowed-up refugee omg!

A correspondent Fox's Smith is talking to notes French authorities believe that passport & other docs they've found at the sites may be fake/planted.
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Re: Paris attacks

Unread postby The Savior » Sat Nov 14, 2015 22:08:57

Monkeyboy wrote:
The Savior wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:This is one of our long weekends, so we had a ton of students in Paris. None of our students were hurt or anything. They sent a bus to pick all of them up.

I'm in Berlin. I flew out yesterday afternoon and there was a lot of security in Geneva, which usually isn't the case. I have to wonder if they expected something. I had my hands and computer tested for explosives, something that's never happened there.


Think there's a UN Security Council meeting there this weekend. John Kerry among other foreign bigwigs in town.



That would make sense, though there's always something going on there with major political ramifications. It's possible I've just missed those times in the past. I didn't mean it in a conspiratorial way, just that they sometimes suspect something is coming based on intelligence chatter.

Anyway, it sucks. What they hell is wrong with people.


Just trying to add perspective for you :-D
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Re: Paris attacks

Unread postby SK790 » Sat Nov 14, 2015 22:09:54

drsmooth wrote:one of the "news" bits floating about is the finding of a Syrian passport on/near a self-blown-up guy, the insinuation being he's a blowed-up refugee omg!

A correspondent Fox's Smith is talking to notes French authorities believe that passport & other docs they've found at the sites may be fake/planted.

Pretty cool to try to fake evidence to try to fuel a horribly ignorant narrative.
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Re: Paris attacks

Unread postby The Savior » Sat Nov 14, 2015 22:12:28

drsmooth wrote:one of the "news" bits floating about is the finding of a Syrian passport on/near a self-blown-up guy, the insinuation being he's a blowed-up refugee omg!

A correspondent Fox's Smith is talking to notes French authorities believe that passport & other docs they've found at the sites may be fake/planted.


This was on CNN so who knows but they had CIA sources that said it was likely that the Passports were "real" and/or "legitimate"

Why would someone do that? If this was a decentralized attack (e.g. the core ISIS leadership was not involved), then leaving a Syrian-Passport at the scene of the crime would help draw that line so that ISIS could "take credit."
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