Monkeyboy wrote:

Swiggers wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:he's trying to lose at this point, right?

I really can't figure out what his endgame is except maybe to throw the election to Hillary.

Most likely it's just massive ego gratification and he's just making up #$!&@ as he goes along.

If it's the second thing, then he's really pathological.

I tend to think he has as good of a chance to help the GOP by making Bush or Rubio appear to be much more centrist than they are. How does he help Hillary? Unless Trump's the nominee, will Rubio or whoever have to wear the stain of Trump's remarks said during the primary? I doubt it. If they stay disciplined, they can actually use Trump to make themselves seem reasonable and separate themselves from the crazy stuff he's done. The GOP primary voters will still vote for the GOP guy, and Rubio or whoever will be better positioned to go at the center of the electorate.

or maybe I'm wrong. After all, I did think Christie would be the nominee before the bridge nonsense.

Swiggers wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:

Swiggers wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote:he's trying to lose at this point, right?

I really can't figure out what his endgame is except maybe to throw the election to Hillary.

Most likely it's just massive ego gratification and he's just making up #$!&@ as he goes along.

If it's the second thing, then he's really pathological.

I tend to think he has as good of a chance to help the GOP by making Bush or Rubio appear to be much more centrist than they are. How does he help Hillary? Unless Trump's the nominee, will Rubio or whoever have to wear the stain of Trump's remarks said during the primary? I doubt it. If they stay disciplined, they can actually use Trump to make themselves seem reasonable and separate themselves from the crazy stuff he's done. The GOP primary voters will still vote for the GOP guy, and Rubio or whoever will be better positioned to go at the center of the electorate.

or maybe I'm wrong. After all, I did think Christie would be the nominee before the bridge nonsense.

The opposite can also happen: By taking far, far, far right positions that help him in the polls with the GOP base, he forces the others to say far, far right things to chip away at his lead, which makes it easier for the D nominee (presumably Hillary) to use stuff they said in the primary against them in the general.

Watts argues that ethnicity still matters. “Republicans claim they don’t play identity politics,” the former congressman said, “but my value to the party was they needed me on poverty issues. I have a party that doesn’t have a relationship with minorities. Ben Carson and Rubio and Cruz need to be talking about these groups and their issues. They need to be a bridge. Most of my white friends, I’ve been to their homes. But most of them have never been to my house. How can you as a party relate to me if you’ve never been in my world?”

Rubio’s spokesman, Alex ­Conant, said his candidate actively seeks Hispanic votes by doing interviews with Spanish-
language media but “he delivers the same message as he does in English. We have a president who for eight years has tried to pit Americans against each other. ­Rubio is more interested in speaking to all Americans, not just to one group.”

Bucky wrote:

Rubio’s spokesman, Alex ­Conant, said his candidate actively seeks Hispanic votes by doing interviews with Spanish-
language media but “he delivers the same message as he does in English. We have a president who for eight years has tried to pit Americans against each other. ­Rubio is more interested in speaking to all Americans, not just to one group.”

It is mind boggling how the R's project their tactics on Obama and then talk about it like it's a bad thing. They love creating narratives for stupid people.

MoBettle wrote:What would you say the koch brothers are up to? (honestly asking)

SK790 wrote:

Bucky wrote:

Rubio’s spokesman, Alex ­Conant, said his candidate actively seeks Hispanic votes by doing interviews with Spanish-
language media but “he delivers the same message as he does in English. We have a president who for eight years has tried to pit Americans against each other. ­Rubio is more interested in speaking to all Americans, not just to one group.”

It is mind boggling how the R's project their tactics on Obama and then talk about it like it's a bad thing. They love creating narratives for stupid people.

I posted about this a lot, but this is one of their more disgusting and effective tactics. They harped about freedoms during the Bush administration, but then we got the Patriot Act. Must be pretty cool to do a thing then blame your rivals for doing that thing and half the country believes you because they're morons.

Monkeyboy wrote: There are uninformed on both sides, of course, but only one side is actively cultivating ignorance.

Houshphandzadeh wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote: There are uninformed on both sides, of course, but only one side is actively cultivating ignorance.

I think this is off. sure, the Republicans are significantly worse, but the Democrats do the same stuff. right now, they/we are all proud of being the tolerant party because Obama has floated continuing to allow refugees at a glacial pace, meanwhile drone warfare and the expansion of the NSA has increased considerably in the last 8 years. we just blew up a hospital and refused an outside investigation as to why. we continue to flood the Middle East with weapons. the professional right might lean a little harder on the projection tactic but the left returns the serve by acting righteous for being slightly better. they enjoy an ill-informed populace just as much as the other guys

When a reporter reminded Cruz it has been reported Dear made a comment about "baby parts" while being apprehended, Cruz retorted, "It’s also been reported that he was registered as an independent and a woman and transgendered leftist activist, if that’s what he is. I don’t think it’s fair to blame on the rhetoric on the left. This is a murderer.”

Houshphandzadeh wrote:

Monkeyboy wrote: There are uninformed on both sides, of course, but only one side is actively cultivating ignorance.

I think this is off. sure, the Republicans are significantly worse, but the Democrats do the same stuff. right now, they/we are all proud of being the tolerant party because Obama has floated continuing to allow refugees at a glacial pace, meanwhile drone warfare and the expansion of the NSA has increased considerably in the last 8 years. we just blew up a hospital and refused an outside investigation as to why. we continue to flood the Middle East with weapons. the professional right might lean a little harder on the projection tactic but the left returns the serve by acting righteous for being slightly better. they enjoy an ill-informed populace just as much as the other guys