Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Postby Luzinski's Gut » Mon Nov 30, 2015 14:15:08

Another one of the subplots within the Middle East which is going to cause even more tension as the new 30 Years War emerges are the roles of the Turks and Saudis.

The Turks still hold onto the title of Caliph from the Ottoman Empire, which died a sclerotic death only 96 years ago.

The Saudis are the protector of the Holy Sites and have the resources to fund a lot of the Sunni Extremism across the globe.

This should be a "fun" game within a game within a game to watch over time.

If anyone has a clue on how this turns out, they should slapped repeatedly until a clue appears. This is a mess that is going to take decades to resolve, the question is how far does it spill over into the rest of the world.
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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Postby pacino » Mon Nov 30, 2015 14:40:40

Kentucky:
And in a state where approval of President Obama hovers around 34 percent, enthusiasm for the health law is lacking even among some who stand to benefit from it. Rick Prario, 54, learned at Family Health Centers this month that he was eligible for Medicaid after losing his longtime job at a hardware store. But he was still furious about having to pay the law’s tax penalty for going uninsured in 2014, when he was still working.
“They could take Obamacare and get rid of it, and it would never bother me one bit,” said Mr. Prario, who had been skipping treatment for diabetes, high blood pressure and arthritis.
Mr. Prario, who did not vote in the election, said he hoped to qualify for disability soon because he saw it as a surer thing than Medicaid.
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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Postby pacino » Mon Nov 30, 2015 14:50:10

Luzinski's Gut wrote:Another one of the subplots within the Middle East which is going to cause even more tension as the new 30 Years War emerges are the roles of the Turks and Saudis.

The Turks still hold onto the title of Caliph from the Ottoman Empire, which died a sclerotic death only 96 years ago.

The Saudis are the protector of the Holy Sites and have the resources to fund a lot of the Sunni Extremism across the globe.

This should be a "fun" game within a game within a game to watch over time.

If anyone has a clue on how this turns out, they should slapped repeatedly until a clue appears. This is a mess that is going to take decades to resolve, the question is how far does it spill over into the rest of the world.

Erdogan has used religion as a way to grab power but Ataturk transformed Turkey so far away from the country being religious-based that I don't think that will be as big an issue. SA and Turkey are both largely Sunni, anyway. I think the Kurdish 'problem' is currently Turkey's biggest underlying concern right now, but of course I could be wrong. So slap away. :mrgreen:
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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Postby Luzinski's Gut » Mon Nov 30, 2015 15:35:06

The Army was the secular force in the country and that has been weakened over the last few years...you heard it here first, the long game within a game is what Sunni nation comes out on top, if any...
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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Postby traderdave » Mon Nov 30, 2015 15:36:43

pacino wrote:
td11 wrote:http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rubio-gods-rules-trump-supreme-court

I hope trader Dave reads this.


Consider it read. Down goes another.

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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Postby SK790 » Mon Nov 30, 2015 15:53:07

Monkeyboy wrote:
SK790 wrote:
Bucky wrote:
Rubio’s spokesman, Alex ­Conant, said his candidate actively seeks Hispanic votes by doing interviews with Spanish-
language media but “he delivers the same message as he does in English. We have a president who for eight years has tried to pit Americans against each other. ­Rubio is more interested in speaking to all Americans, not just to one group.”


It is mind boggling how the R's project their tactics on Obama and then talk about it like it's a bad thing. They love creating narratives for stupid people.

I posted about this a lot, but this is one of their more disgusting and effective tactics. They harped about freedoms during the Bush administration, but then we got the Patriot Act. Must be pretty cool to do a thing then blame your rivals for doing that thing and half the country believes you because they're morons.



I've also posted a lot about it. Accuse your opponent of doing the very thing you're doing. Then, at worst, say that everyone does it, setting up a false equivalency.

It's effective only when people aren't paying any attention. And since being educated and informed means you're an elitist, that's exactly the condition the GOP base finds itself. There are uninformed on both sides, of course, but only one side is actively cultivating ignorance.

It's true and I appreciate it! I get so sick of the "both sides so it" rhetoric because it's an oversimplification of the problem of our current system of governance.

And you're right, it enables people to never care or think about politics because ugh, they're all so corrupt. People harp about how terrible Hillary is and a lot of the criticisms are valid, but you put her up against any of the dirtbags running for the R nomination and she looks like a goddamn saint.

Going back to housh's post, the bit about Obama. Yes, again, legitimate criticisms, but when you look at them, the things he's done that are seen as negative are things the right will either agree with or have a worse solution for.

Overzealous with the drones: do you really think people who can't stop talking about how we need "boots on the ground" in the Middle East would be less likely to use drone strikes?

Slow to get out of Iraq: we'd still be there if the Rs had their way.

Slow to close Gitmo: republicans think torture is fine.

Obamacare sucks: Yes, most people don't like Obamacare, it's true, but a good portion of them, like me, are wondering why we didn't go to a single payer system or at least something close to the systems the rest of the first world has. The R solution is flat out insane, if they're even offering one at all(hint: most of them are not).

Gridlock: Republicans shut down the government because they lost the 2012 election which was, in their words, "a mandate on Obamacare". They are now threatening to shut down the government again over some obviously doctored videos.

Too lax on guns: no explanation needed.

The economy under Obama has actually been pretty good in recovery after the recession. Jobs have been steadily up. It's not surprising that the Republicans refuse to talk about the economy at all, I guess. Liberals will say he hasn't done enough to close wealth gap, raise minimum wage, etc... but again, that's not something you're going to find help with on the right.

So I guess I'll challenge anyone in this thread to find me something that a major player in the Democratic party that is as gross as some of the stuff I'm seeing on the right. Are any of them doing something as disgusting as using obviously doctored videos to shut down health care facilities that provide millions of (mostly poor) women with services, oh also maybe the whole damn government? Is there someone on the left doing something as vile as defending a government employee who refuses to offer services because of religious beliefs? Are any big liberals doing something that's as disingenuous perpetuating lie after lie trying to spread a message of fear and xenophobia the way republican presidential candidates are doing currently?

It's true, Hillary dumbly used private e-mail to send classified documents. It was a very stupid and bad mistake and then she tried to half-assedly cover it up, but at least in the end she admitted her mistake and apologized. This is not great, but it pales in comparison to say, Donald Trump continuing to insist that he's seen Muslims celebrating on 9/11 despite that story being widely debunked.
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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Postby Soren » Mon Nov 30, 2015 20:21:39

Erdoğan: I will resign if any oil purchase from Daesh is proven
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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Postby Gimpy » Mon Nov 30, 2015 20:37:47



“We are clearly called, in the Bible, to adhere to our civil authorities, but that conflicts with also a requirement to adhere to God’s rules. When those two come in conflict, God’s rules always win. In essence, if we are ever ordered by a government authority to personally violate and sin, violate God’s law and sin, if we’re ordered to stop preaching the gospel, if we’re ordered to perform a same-sex marriage as someone presiding over it, we are called to ignore that. We cannot abide by that because government is compelling us to sin.”


WELP, I thought Rubio was doing pretty well from what I've seen, but that quote keeps me from being able to justify voting for him.

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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Postby Soren » Mon Nov 30, 2015 20:49:01

Can someone out there compile a list of laws, civil functions etc that violate the laws of the bible
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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Postby pacino » Mon Nov 30, 2015 20:55:38

Soren wrote:
Erdoğan: I will resign if any oil purchase from Daesh is proven

I'm so conflicted. I wouldn't want Turkey to be involved with ISIL, but I hate Erdogan.
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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Postby Bucky » Mon Nov 30, 2015 20:59:21


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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Postby pacino » Mon Nov 30, 2015 21:07:18

I don't think there is any doubt he is the official choice of the outward racist.
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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Postby Gimpy » Tue Dec 01, 2015 01:30:30



I feel like this whole campaign process is just getting crazier and crazier.

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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Postby pacino » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:20:13

freedom:
Paris police have extended a ban on public demonstrations around Le Bourget until the end of the conference on climate change.

The general prohibition put in place in the wake of the Nov. 13 attacks in Paris came to an end on Tuesday but the ban has been extended until Dec. 13 around the Champs-Elysees in central Paris and in Le Bourget, where the COP21 meeting is taking place.

On Sunday, police took 317 protesters into custody after activists seeking to call attention to climate change defied the ban on marches and clashed with police at the Place de la Republique, a central point for commemorations after the Nov. 13 attacks that killed 130 people. All but nine have been released.
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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Postby pacino » Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:32:51

DEFUND OHIO!!!!!:
According to 2015 data obtained by newsnet5.com, current federal grants go towards funding 155,000 STI tests, 14,000 cancer screenings, 13,000 HIV tests in health centers and nearly 5,000 HIV tests in the community annually.

Planned Parenthood of Greater Ohio also uses the funds to provide sex education to more than 14,000 women, men and youth.

The non-profit provides health education and outreach in the community to more than 58,000 women, men and youth annually.

From July 1, 2014 to June 30, 2015, Ohio’s 27 Planned Parenthood locations saw 78,909 patients for a total of 159,462 visits.

Stephanie Kight, CEO of Planned Parenthood of Greater Ohio told newsnet5.com that in a worst case scenario, programs like Violence Against Women Act education, the infant mortality reduction program and HIV testing program could be eliminated.

But Kight argues that quality and value of services could suffer.

“A year from now, I would look and see if the same number of people are being served for the same dollar because that’s why we get these grants,” Kight said. “We’re very good at writing efficient programs, high-quality programs.”

there is no legitimate way to replace this.
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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:45:52

pacino wrote:Kentucky:
Mr. Prario, who did not vote in the election, said he hoped to qualify for disability soon because he saw it as a surer thing than Medicaid.

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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Postby Monkeyboy » Tue Dec 01, 2015 12:06:24

Soren wrote:Can someone out there compile a list of laws, civil functions etc that violate the laws of the bible


If you extend what it says in the bible (read: make stuff up), as these nitwits have, you can find all kinds of things, like marrying gay people and icky stuff like that.
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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Postby pacino » Tue Dec 01, 2015 16:39:57

seeking a secular Kurdish state within Syria

it would be interesting if they are able to secure a second area, yet another one surrounding the Kurds in Turkey...

they also seem to be our truest ally, if we are speaking in selfishly USA terms
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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Postby Monkeyboy » Tue Dec 01, 2015 17:58:40

I don't know if I agree with his take, but this is an interesting study about the health of Americans. I haven't had the chance to read the study itself.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/you ... this-study
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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Postby The Crimson Cyclone » Tue Dec 01, 2015 19:40:36

Monkeyboy wrote:I don't know if I agree with his take, but this is an interesting study about the health of Americans. I haven't had the chance to read the study itself.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/you ... this-study


Dude takes some monumental leaps to get to his hypothesis. There's no evidence of causality whatsoever
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