Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Unread postby Soren » Tue Dec 08, 2015 15:50:00

I think we should forbid all Muslims from entering the country
That's bigotry
way to be an intolerant leftist
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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Unread postby Brantt » Tue Dec 08, 2015 15:50:09

pacino wrote:
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pacino wrote:brantt supports Trump and agrees with his positions. he doesnt see him as a distraction, or a bad thing. he sees him as the answer.


Agree.

Why do you think we should change the Constitution (the only legal way to enact this) to bar Muslims from coming to the United States? Does this include military personnel who have families and lives here who are currently stationed overseas?

Why do you support a candidate that thinks undocument people bring crime, guns, etc when actual statistics say they do so at lower rates than citizens?

Why do you back a candidate who is the #1 choice of white nationalists (i.e. professional racists)?

Do you agree with Trump's idea that 'wages are too high'?

Do you agree with his fearmongering over Japan and China? Why do you think he chose those two countries?

Do you agree the indiscriminate imprisonment of Japanese-American citizens during World War II is something to be replicated and to learn from in a positive manner?



1. The Constitution is not getting changed so it's a moot point. Since Trump's proposal doesn't apply to American citizens (despite Rachel Maddow screaming it does last night), no, it would not include military personnel or any United States citizen who wants to return to the US. It's not going to happen, so any discussion over it is a waste of time. That said, I am absolutely concerned about Muslims entering this country legally or illegally who could be extremists. If that makes me a racist or bigot, so be it I guess.

2. Illegal immigration is a nothing issue to me so I don't get caught up in it. I have no clue if what you are saying is true or not. I've seen stats and the "facts" argued both ways. Either way, doesn't matter to me.

3. That distinction would apply to any candidate who was the frontrunner for the GOP nomination.

4. The wages being too high is a tricky issue. In general, no I don't agree with him. This is obviously becoming a country of the haves and have nots and trending in a negative direction. As someone who is running the financial end of a large manufacturing facility on a daily basis, I absolutely understand what he's saying. It's very difficult for US manufacturers to compete internationally with much higher priced employees and Union employees who are paid significantly higher than competitors. Costs get blown up and you just can't compete. For example, if they raised the minimum wage to $15 an hour as Bernie Sanders suggests, we would have massive layoffs here or just shut down the operation and consolidate it with another branch. Very, very difficult and tough situation.

5. I agree with most of what he says about China. He goes after them and Japan because they are our biggest competitors in trade globally (along with Germany).

6. Won't even dignify with a response.
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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Unread postby The Crimson Cyclone » Tue Dec 08, 2015 15:51:53

It was a rhetorical question most bigots don't admit to being bigots
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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Unread postby pacino » Tue Dec 08, 2015 15:54:20

That said, I am absolutely concerned about Muslims entering this country legally or illegally who could be extremists. If that makes me a racist or bigot, so be it I guess.

Do you think we should bar Muslims from entering the country? How?

2. Illegal immigration is a nothing issue to me so I don't get caught up in it. I have no clue if what you are saying is true or not. I've seen stats and the "facts" argued both ways. Either way, doesn't matter to me.

why does it not matter to you? Why is it a nothing issue to you?
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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Unread postby slugsrbad » Tue Dec 08, 2015 15:54:39

When it comes to electing the next POTUS how can you gloss over his blatant bigotry? How is that not a turn off?
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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Unread postby Brantt » Tue Dec 08, 2015 15:55:54

pacino wrote:
Brantt wrote:
The Crimson Cyclone wrote:so you admit to being a bigot?


The tolerant left strikes again.

way to sidestep the issue

you are backing a racist and a bigot. there is no denying this. the islamaphobia has permeated every candidate except Lindsey Graham it would seem, but Trump is at the forefront of this.


That's your opinion. You're entitled to it.

Radical Islam is not a few individuals perverting the religion as the POTUS would suggest, it's a SECT of the religion made up of at the absolute very least tens of millions of people. We as a country are currently at war with that sect, not the religion as a whole. The problem is it's way to easy to pull a Tashfeena Malik, get into the country, and then commit a mass shooting in the name of Allah.

I will tell you right now I do not have a solution to the problem (nobody does). But the current POTUS's behavior in dealing with ISIS is a disgrace. There are going to be more shootings like last week's........it's inevitable. I think the fear in the country is justified.
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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Unread postby pacino » Tue Dec 08, 2015 15:57:10

Brantt wrote:
pacino wrote:
Brantt wrote:
The Crimson Cyclone wrote:so you admit to being a bigot?


The tolerant left strikes again.

way to sidestep the issue

you are backing a racist and a bigot. there is no denying this. the islamaphobia has permeated every candidate except Lindsey Graham it would seem, but Trump is at the forefront of this.


That's your opinion. You're entitled to it.

Radical Islam is not a few individuals perverting the religion as the POTUS would suggest, it's a SECT of the religion made up of at the absolute very least tens of millions of people. We as a country are currently at war with that sect, not the religion as a whole. The problem is it's way to easy to pull a Tashfeena Malik, get into the country, and then commit a mass shooting in the name of Allah.

I will tell you right now I do not have a solution to the problem (nobody does). But the current POTUS's behavior in dealing with ISIS is a disgrace. There are going to be more shootings like last week's........it's inevitable. I think the fear in the country is justified.

Does Trump?
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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Unread postby Brantt » Tue Dec 08, 2015 15:57:56

pacino wrote:
That said, I am absolutely concerned about Muslims entering this country legally or illegally who could be extremists. If that makes me a racist or bigot, so be it I guess.

Do you think we should bar Muslims from entering the country? How?

2. Illegal immigration is a nothing issue to me so I don't get caught up in it. I have no clue if what you are saying is true or not. I've seen stats and the "facts" argued both ways. Either way, doesn't matter to me.

why does it not matter to you? Why is it a nothing issue to you?


I don't think you can ban Muslims or any other group of people unless you radically alter your laws. Obviously isn't happening.
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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Unread postby pacino » Tue Dec 08, 2015 15:58:41

Brantt wrote:
pacino wrote:
That said, I am absolutely concerned about Muslims entering this country legally or illegally who could be extremists. If that makes me a racist or bigot, so be it I guess.

Do you think we should bar Muslims from entering the country? How?

2. Illegal immigration is a nothing issue to me so I don't get caught up in it. I have no clue if what you are saying is true or not. I've seen stats and the "facts" argued both ways. Either way, doesn't matter to me.

why does it not matter to you? Why is it a nothing issue to you?


I don't think you can ban Muslims or any other group of people unless you radically alter your laws. Obviously isn't happening.

Are you for laws that would bar Muslims?
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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Unread postby Brantt » Tue Dec 08, 2015 16:03:08

slugsrbad wrote:When it comes to electing the next POTUS how can you gloss over his blatant bigotry? How is that not a turn off?


I don't think he's a bigot. I think he wants to do everything possible to destroy ISIS and radical Islam and unfortunately peaceful and innocent Muslims (the majority of the people) get lumped into the fray.

Obviously you will disagree, which is fine.
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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Unread postby Brantt » Tue Dec 08, 2015 16:04:19

pacino wrote:
Brantt wrote:
pacino wrote:
That said, I am absolutely concerned about Muslims entering this country legally or illegally who could be extremists. If that makes me a racist or bigot, so be it I guess.

Do you think we should bar Muslims from entering the country? How?

2. Illegal immigration is a nothing issue to me so I don't get caught up in it. I have no clue if what you are saying is true or not. I've seen stats and the "facts" argued both ways. Either way, doesn't matter to me.

why does it not matter to you? Why is it a nothing issue to you?


I don't think you can ban Muslims or any other group of people unless you radically alter your laws. Obviously isn't happening.

Are you for laws that would bar Muslims?


I would not support any law that would pertain to one specific group. Can't do it.
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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Unread postby Brantt » Tue Dec 08, 2015 16:05:58

pacino wrote:
Brantt wrote:
pacino wrote:
Brantt wrote:
The Crimson Cyclone wrote:so you admit to being a bigot?


The tolerant left strikes again.

way to sidestep the issue

you are backing a racist and a bigot. there is no denying this. the islamaphobia has permeated every candidate except Lindsey Graham it would seem, but Trump is at the forefront of this.


That's your opinion. You're entitled to it.

Radical Islam is not a few individuals perverting the religion as the POTUS would suggest, it's a SECT of the religion made up of at the absolute very least tens of millions of people. We as a country are currently at war with that sect, not the religion as a whole. The problem is it's way to easy to pull a Tashfeena Malik, get into the country, and then commit a mass shooting in the name of Allah.

I will tell you right now I do not have a solution to the problem (nobody does). But the current POTUS's behavior in dealing with ISIS is a disgrace. There are going to be more shootings like last week's........it's inevitable. I think the fear in the country is justified.

Does Trump?


I think he would probably wipe out a large portion of ISIS in the middle east in short order. Most generals say it would only take a month or so, but you'd have to stay there for a while.

I don't think Trump or anyone else has a solution to what is happening in our country. Not sure there is one.
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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Unread postby pacino » Tue Dec 08, 2015 16:06:52

Brantt wrote:
pacino wrote:
Brantt wrote:
pacino wrote:
Brantt wrote:
The Crimson Cyclone wrote:so you admit to being a bigot?


The tolerant left strikes again.

way to sidestep the issue

you are backing a racist and a bigot. there is no denying this. the islamaphobia has permeated every candidate except Lindsey Graham it would seem, but Trump is at the forefront of this.


That's your opinion. You're entitled to it.

Radical Islam is not a few individuals perverting the religion as the POTUS would suggest, it's a SECT of the religion made up of at the absolute very least tens of millions of people. We as a country are currently at war with that sect, not the religion as a whole. The problem is it's way to easy to pull a Tashfeena Malik, get into the country, and then commit a mass shooting in the name of Allah.

I will tell you right now I do not have a solution to the problem (nobody does). But the current POTUS's behavior in dealing with ISIS is a disgrace. There are going to be more shootings like last week's........it's inevitable. I think the fear in the country is justified.

Does Trump?


I think he would probably wipe out a large portion of ISIS in the middle east in short order. Most generals say it would only take a month or so, but you'd have to stay there for a while.

I don't think Trump or anyone else has a solution to what is happening in our country. Not sure there is one.

And do what?
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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Unread postby drsmooth » Tue Dec 08, 2015 16:15:01

Turnip is an asshole, and a loser, and a national embarrassment who will never be nominated and never, ever, not ever elected to any meaningful office.

Now, what he's done, in terms of national political events that matter to adults - what Republican leadership has allowed to happen - is ensure no nominated Republican will win the presidency in 2016. His rancid "campaign" has torn off the uber-stupid right wing of the party - the basest share of the base, which, while a meaningfully large share of it doesn't actually vote, votes enough to matter - and permitted it to go off and have a high-visibility, non-productive tantrum. That's it.

No, wait, that's not it, because he's pissed so long, deep, and vinegary into the R's pool, he's probably scotched the re-election campaigns of at least a few congresspersons. He's awful, for everything, but especially for Rs. He's just a thoroughly revolting, horrible vertebrate.
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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Unread postby Brantt » Tue Dec 08, 2015 16:21:31

pacino wrote:
Brantt wrote:
pacino wrote:
Brantt wrote:
pacino wrote:
Brantt wrote:
The Crimson Cyclone wrote:so you admit to being a bigot?


The tolerant left strikes again.

way to sidestep the issue

you are backing a racist and a bigot. there is no denying this. the islamaphobia has permeated every candidate except Lindsey Graham it would seem, but Trump is at the forefront of this.


That's your opinion. You're entitled to it.

Radical Islam is not a few individuals perverting the religion as the POTUS would suggest, it's a SECT of the religion made up of at the absolute very least tens of millions of people. We as a country are currently at war with that sect, not the religion as a whole. The problem is it's way to easy to pull a Tashfeena Malik, get into the country, and then commit a mass shooting in the name of Allah.

I will tell you right now I do not have a solution to the problem (nobody does). But the current POTUS's behavior in dealing with ISIS is a disgrace. There are going to be more shootings like last week's........it's inevitable. I think the fear in the country is justified.

Does Trump?


I think he would probably wipe out a large portion of ISIS in the middle east in short order. Most generals say it would only take a month or so, but you'd have to stay there for a while.

I don't think Trump or anyone else has a solution to what is happening in our country. Not sure there is one.

And do what?


See the last 14 years in Afghanistan for answer.
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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Unread postby smitty » Tue Dec 08, 2015 22:15:26

Trump is a blatant draft dodger. We have Muslims serving honorably in the military. Maybe he needs to get out of the country. I don't feel safe having a draft dodger in charge.

Trump has no idea how the military works despite his experience as a rich kid military school attendee. He thinks that was great training. He's delusional, which is dangerous as well. I don't feel safe with a delusional person running for president. He should be sent out of the country.
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