Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Postby Phan In Phlorida » Mon Nov 23, 2015 15:41:08

Kasich proposes a new federal gov't agency "...of Judeo-Christian Values"

"We need to beam messages around the world about what it means to be part of a Judeo-Christian society."
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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Postby The Crimson Cyclone » Mon Nov 23, 2015 16:43:24

So much for him being the sane one
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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Postby Monkeyboy » Mon Nov 23, 2015 16:44:58

The Crimson Cyclone wrote:Nate Silver still saying that Trump is unlikely to win nomination


my favorite part-

Right now, he has 25 to 30 percent of the vote in polls among the roughly 25 percent of Americans who identify as Republican. (That’s something like 6 to 8 percent of the electorate overall, or about the same share of people who think the Apollo moon landings were faked.)


I agree with the idea that he won't win, but eventually someone is going to have to step up and take some votes away from Trump or Carson, right? I mean, they keep leading. The way those votes break will determine the nomination, I guess. I just have a hard time figuring out who that will be when the other candidates can't seem to break 15%.

When is the last time the primary winner wasn't nominated by the party? I have a feeling we may see something like that. I guess the Koch brothers are running the show and they are probably fine with trump, but old school republicans would be shitting bricks if they had to run Trump out there.

Someone (maybe me) posted an article a while back that talked about how the Koch brothers had overtaken the standard republican party and had more influence than the old school guys. I guess that's relevant here.
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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Postby traderdave » Mon Nov 23, 2015 17:00:09

Phan In Phlorida wrote:Kasich proposes a new federal gov't agency "...of Judeo-Christian Values"

"We need to beam messages around the world about what it means to be part of a Judeo-Christian society."


Three cheers for smaller government. Forget what I posted previously about Kasich being one of the only seemingly reasonable GOP candidates.

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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Postby pacino » Mon Nov 23, 2015 17:06:46

traderdave wrote:
Phan In Phlorida wrote:Kasich proposes a new federal gov't agency "...of Judeo-Christian Values"

"We need to beam messages around the world about what it means to be part of a Judeo-Christian society."


Three cheers for smaller government. Forget what I posted previously about Kasich being one of the only seemingly reasonable GOP candidates.

come on traderdave, the moderate ones include 'Judeo' when they seek to be a religious nation-state.
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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Postby TenuredVulture » Mon Nov 23, 2015 17:23:55

pacino wrote:
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Phan In Phlorida wrote:Kasich proposes a new federal gov't agency "...of Judeo-Christian Values"

"We need to beam messages around the world about what it means to be part of a Judeo-Christian society."


Three cheers for smaller government. Forget what I posted previously about Kasich being one of the only seemingly reasonable GOP candidates.

come on traderdave, the moderate ones include 'Judeo' when they seek to be a religious nation-state.


We could go ahead and confuse people and call it "... Abrahamic religious values".
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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Postby Bucky » Mon Nov 23, 2015 17:25:51

The Crimson Cyclone wrote:Nate Silver still saying that Trump is unlikely to win nomination


my favorite part-

Right now, he has 25 to 30 percent of the vote in polls among the roughly 25 percent of Americans who identify as Republican. (That’s something like 6 to 8 percent of the electorate overall, or about the same share of people who think the Apollo moon landings were faked.)



I would also probably guess that the union of the two sets is the same as the two sets (I forget the mathematical term at the moment :( )

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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Postby Luzinski's Gut » Mon Nov 23, 2015 17:29:35

I would make smaller bases, especially with the Army and the Marine Corps, and spread them out throughout the country. The armored units would need to be consolidated around large training areas that can support maneuver training and they need to be far enough away that people aren't being annoyed with the sounds of tank cannons and howitzers.

The consolidation of bases through the BRAC process has gone too far. The Army has one major base in the Northeast, and it's on the Canadian border in Watertown, NY (Ft. Drum).

The Air Force could also be spread out, however, the noise from jets basically forces them to be in rural areas. The Navy is tied to deep water ports.

It's not efficient, but it spreads the military out across the country and provides our citizenry with a chance to see military personnel, talk with them, and the like. I'd think it be far better than the current system.

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The Crimson Cyclone wrote:I don't get those memes as it's the republican congress that refuses to bring any bills for spending to help vets, hell they won't even extend the first responders bill


Read an interesting article in the Economist on the difficulty the military has attracting qualified recruits. A big problem is that those most likely to enlist are simply ineligible--they lack the appropriate education, have a criminal record, or are too fat. (Also, the military won't take you if you have visible tattoos, but I would guess relaxing that standard could be considered.) But I would hypothesize the perception that the VA won't take care of you is probably hurting recruiting efforts. The article also pointed to a significant and growing disjuncture between the military and everyone else--people enjoy thanking vets, and even giving them #$!&@ discounts at Denny's--few actually considers doing service themselves.

a professional military has undoubtedly made our military better, but it's also detached it from everyday life and from much of our population. Before, if we went to war everyone felt it. Now, it's almost an abstract idea that affects very few people in the homeland. It becomes easier to simply avoid the war and the effects of it.

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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Postby Werthless » Mon Nov 23, 2015 17:55:21

Bucky wrote:Fox New dude takes down student activist whose dad is a millionaire. 98% sure this is a strawman plant.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/11/12/c ... ee-tuition

Not a strawman, it appears. She seemed genuine to me. Just sad all around. This is fairly close to my thoughts:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... fair-game/

If a student activist cannot explain how the core demands are to be met, then they should not go on TV.

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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Postby traderdave » Mon Nov 23, 2015 18:31:29

That WaPo piece was dead on, IMHO. "How are we going to pay for this" seems like a very fair and extremely obvious question - shame on Ms. Mullen for not having a response ready to go. I do think Cavuto was a bit condescending at times during the interview but the interviewee surely must have realized that she was not appearing on Wayne's World. Frankly, I thought he took it easy on her during the segment.

These kids, a term I use somewhat enviously as I approach 50, are all-in with the disruption of the operation of colleges and universities (which includes disrupting the educational experience of fellow students that may not share their activist view of the world). The least they could do is know what the fuck they are protesting.

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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Postby The Nightman Cometh » Mon Nov 23, 2015 18:43:05

To do anything with restructuring our military bases you would have to tie a HUGE economic stimulus package to it.
The Jersey delegation fought a freaking 50 year old air tanker from being retired from service because it would have threatened the need of the Joint Base and about 20k jobs.
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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Postby Stay_Disappointed » Mon Nov 23, 2015 19:46:55

So Evil Corp, I mean Pfizer, is getting bought by Allergan in a major tax inversion scheme. Anyway Obama can stop this?
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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Postby Monkeyboy » Mon Nov 23, 2015 19:52:06

There's been several major pharm mergers here in switzerland and germany. Sigma Aldrich, for example, was just bought by Merck Millipore.

I guess the incentive is there.
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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Postby TenuredVulture » Mon Nov 23, 2015 19:52:55

traderdave wrote:That WaPo piece was dead on, IMHO. "How are we going to pay for this" seems like a very fair and extremely obvious question - shame on Ms. Mullen for not having a response ready to go. I do think Cavuto was a bit condescending at times during the interview but the interviewee surely must have realized that she was not appearing on Wayne's World. Frankly, I thought he took it easy on her during the segment.

These kids, a term I use somewhat enviously as I approach 50, are all-in with the disruption of the operation of colleges and universities (which includes disrupting the educational experience of fellow students that may not share their activist view of the world). The least they could do is know what the fuck they are protesting.


It's nice that people are focusing their ire on students for a change, instead of faculty.

Just note: It's probably not the case that this young woman has been indoctrinated by faculty, since in my experience, politically active students rarely actually make it to class.

Also, you'd think with a million students, they could find one a bit more articulate, though I only watched about 45 seconds of the interview.

And, the obvious way you make college free is to make it much more selective. If say only the top 5% of HS grads can get into college, current high ed spending would be more than adequate to pay for it. I'd of course have to find a new line of work, and I wouldn't like that, so there is a downside.
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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Postby Soren » Mon Nov 23, 2015 20:06:36

Warszawa wrote:So Evil Corp, I mean Pfizer, is getting bought by Allergan in a major tax inversion scheme. Anyway Obama can stop this?


Pfizer has nothing on Bayer in terms of pure evil
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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Postby The Dude » Mon Nov 23, 2015 20:43:24

I don't think there's been enough chatter about this. We're there different restrictions then?

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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Postby SK790 » Mon Nov 23, 2015 21:48:02

so 2 people out of the hundreds of thousands we took in over the last decade?
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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Postby The Dude » Mon Nov 23, 2015 21:48:54

really doesn't answer my question
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Re: Wanted: House Speaker Apply Within (Politics thread)

Postby SK790 » Mon Nov 23, 2015 21:49:50

neither does that
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