I mean it really is amazing how one sided that agreement has been economically and yet it seemingly hasn't benefited Mexico enough to keep its people from wanting to escape

David Duke endorsed Trump. I wonder if the Koch brothers made him do it.

Bucky wrote:that's almost reason enough for me to jump on the trump bandwagon

for jh: not being snip or anything, just offering perspective: to me (and many other liburrls), trump is republicanism personified, only with no filter. The bullying, racism, elitism, sexism, lack of empathy, etc., seem to be exactly what the majority of the R leadership and base are are all about. If the R leadership doesn't agree with that assessment, then they need to actively prove that it doesn't fit, and they're constantly affirming it instead.

well said, Bucky. They say he's an extremist who doesn't represent their party, but they rush to right to be like him as his poll numbers rise. Go Donald, let the people see who they really are.

drsmooth wrote:

SK790 wrote:Go for it

Curt Schilling, a star pitcher who was in the Major Leagues for 20 years and a baseball analyst for ESPN, was suspended from his Little League World Series duty after sending a controversial tweet Tuesday....The tweet re-posted a meme that reads: "It's said only 5-10% of Muslims are extremists. In 1940, only 7% of Germans were Nazis. How'd that go?"

Feels like it's kinda peculiar how reactionary extremists miss that that cautionary analogy about extremism is, essentially, about them

Yeah unless I'm missing something I don't see how he got so much backlash. Comparing people to nazis is generally dumb but this seems like one of the less dumb nazi analogies I've heard.

The DOW went up 619 points today, a 4% recovery.

MoBettle wrote:Yeah unless I'm missing something I don't see how he got so much backlash. Comparing people to nazis is generally dumb but this seems like one of the less dumb nazi analogies I've heard.

I may be wrong but I think a big issue with it is the implication that people ought to just pick up and "do something about it".

Which generates the conundrum; only about 7-8% of 'mericans are reactionary enough to vibrate to that call to action. So why wouldn't we want to "do something" about them?

I bet you find a similar amount of crazies in any religion. This one just happens to be based in the middle of a region in perpetual political upheaval. As much as I'd like to wage war on them(this would be a much better use of our bloated policing and military budget than the war on drugs imo), there's really no way to win a war on this kind of thing.

Yeah I mean I'm not saying I would agree with him if he fleshed his entire point out, but The information in that tweet seems like a rational point to make. It's weird that he's getting national backlash and got suspended from his job.

Some people are acting like he compared all Muslims to nazis (which is actually the exact opposite of what he did)

I think espn told him he couldn't tweet about stuff like this anymore and this was the last straw.

sorry mo, it's only 'rational' in the most naive context. there's only one thing that 'fact' was intended for: to stir up muslim hatred.

it's not rational at all it's a typical "slippery slope" logical fallacy.

i mean, the only way ISIS/any radical islamic group could ever become big enough to cause nearly as much damage as the nazis did is if western society continues to demonize/marginalize them. not hard to convince someone to fight against a society that makes them all sound like they're a step away from blowing up a building.

Bucky wrote:sorry mo, it's only 'rational' in the most naive context. there's only one thing that 'fact' was intended for: to stir up muslim hatred.

Schilling's assenting to (I'm not he really thought it through until ESPN "explained" to him that not having thought it through cost him his job) the idea that "hey, its 7% of muslims now, but soon enough they'll be invading Poland". See how not-apt that analogy is?

I'm willing to hypothesize that with a few paragraphs of exigesis you could frame your comparison carefully enough that a reasoned conversation could ensue. Twitter is, uhm, not suited for that sort of thing, no matter how many 9-part bursts Marc Andressen or Mark Cuban emit

But hey, about all twitter's good for is lighting your farts. And if you insist on lighting gasoline-soaked farts, sometimes your ass will get blown off

Like I said, I could be missing something. I just read the tweet, I don't keep up on what crazy people on twitter share.

I thought he was comparing the Nazis starting out as a minority but being able to gain greater influence over time. Some of the tools they used are very similar to what ISIS uses: fear, lack of alternatives, appealing to a perverted cultural commonality, and leveraging fact that everyone else hated them. There are similarities between the two groups, there are also differences of course.

This is also a great point:

drsmooth wrote:But hey, about all twitter's good for is lighting your farts. And if you insist on lighting gasoline-soaked farts, sometimes your ass will get blown off

MoBettle wrote:Like I said, I could be missing something. I just read the tweet....

I don't believer you're really missing anything, Mo. My feeling is the objection to Shilling's lit fartgas message is less its diagnosis than the implied prescription - which I don't believe Shilling actually understood is implied in that particular fartgassery

karn wrote:I mean it really is amazing how one sided that agreement has been economically and yet it seemingly hasn't benefited Mexico enough to keep its people from wanting to escape

Mexico is the 2nd most violent country in the Western Hemisphere, not much mystery to this

Now this is an interesting article on Jeb's faltering candidacy, the history of political dynasties, and the fading memory of an old split in the GOP between Eastern elites, Western libertarians and Southern social crusaders.

Planned Parenthood videos were altered:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/28/us/ab ... p=cur&_r=0

Hilary just compared GOP on women's rights to terrorists

nice rhetoric