Hillary has started to feel the Bern (Politics threat)

Hillary has started to feel the Bern (Politics threat)

Postby The Crimson Cyclone » Thu Aug 20, 2015 10:05:35

in college when I was asked to predict which "group member" would become president first I answered-

1) Black
2) Woman
3) Hispanic
4) Jew
5) Atheist

Bernie might screw me up here
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Re: Hillary has started to feel the Bern (Politics threat)

Postby drsmooth » Thu Aug 20, 2015 10:16:41

The Cubs once went with a "college of coaches". Didn't work out so well for them, but maybe that's something we should try
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Re: Hillary has started to feel the Bern (Politics threat)

Postby pacino » Thu Aug 20, 2015 13:55:14

hate crime:

Two brothers from South Boston were arrested and charged with beating the 58-year-old man, who is homeless, with a metal pole, breaking his nose and battering his chest and arms, The Boston Globe reported.

“Donald Trump was right, all these illegals need to be deported,” the police said one of the brothers, Scott Leader, 38, told them. His brother, Steve Leader, 30, was also charged in the beating, the police said. The Globe reported that the brothers have extensive criminal records.

Told of the attack, which also left the man soaked in urine, Mr. Trump said at a news conference late Wednesday that it was the first he had heard of it.

“It would be a shame,” Mr. Trump said, before adding: “I will say that people who are following me are very passionate. They love this country and they want this country to be great again. They are passionate.”

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Re: Hillary has started to feel the Bern (Politics threat)

Postby CalvinBall » Thu Aug 20, 2015 13:57:47

who would have guessed that spewing hate and racism was a bad thing

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Re: Hillary has started to feel the Bern (Politics threat)

Postby pacino » Thu Aug 20, 2015 14:14:39

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Re: Hillary has started to feel the Bern (Politics threat)

Postby SK790 » Thu Aug 20, 2015 14:26:51

jerseyhoya wrote:
SK790 wrote:the guy who was sure Romney was would win in 2012

Gonna go with probably not.


jerseyhoya wrote:It's fucking stupid to think Romney is going to win? He's winning in the national polls. He is doing increasingly well among independents. He's campaigning like he's winning, which tracks with what I've heard from former coworkers, while the Obama campaign has the flailing, increasingly negative tone of a campaign that sees it slipping away.

There's no upside to me lying here. Most of you are lost causes, and I'm gonna be here posting after the election regardless of who wins. I write what I think, and I think Mitt is the favorite right now. I'm also a biased hack, so you're right to take what I say with a grain of salt. But I think I'm right.


viewtopic.php_f=2&t=14222&p=1645667&hilit=Romney#p1645667

jerseyhoya wrote:Nate's a lot smarter than I am, but if the election was held today I think Romney would win the popular vote and would probably win the Electoral College as well. I think Mitt would win at least 257 EVs (NC, FL, VA, CO), and then would only need Ohio or Wisconsin and Iowa or New Hampshire. I've heard whispers from people I used to work with that Romney is at least tied in both Ohio and Wisconsin. There's a serious lack of legitimate polling going on at the state level, and the whole Obama EC lock theory is built on a foundation of sand. The Gallup 7% lead is a mirage, but I think most of the GOP professional class feels pretty damn good about where this race is right now. The idea that Obama is better than 2-1 to win is completely fucking insane.


viewtopic.php_f=2&t=14205&p=1640450&hilit=Romney#p1640450

jerseyhoya wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:@jerseyhoya why do you think Romney wins Colorado? Obama is ahead in most of the recent polls. One he is up 5. Sure it will be close, but there isn't enough evidence that Romney can take the state as this is for a state like Florida. And as far as Virginia, it looks like a coin toss at this point.
I haven't seen any with him up 5%. Seems like they're just about tied, and I think PPP has been off (too Dem) on Colorado all year. CO and VA are both very close and could go either way. Romney is favored in both though at the jerseyhoya sportsbook.


viewtopic.php_f=2&t=14205&p=1640526&hilit=Romney#p1640526

jerseyhoya wrote:My biggest problem with Nate's formula is he has Obama winning nationally by 1.4%. And I don't think he's winning by 1.4% nationally. I don't understand how he gets there.

The people hyping up the OHIO or 'difficulty of Romney's path to 270' angles as the explanation are missing the substance of what Nate is putting out there. He has Obama wins EC loses PV at 6.1% and Romney wins EC loses PV at 2.3%. His model is 71/29 instead of 67/33 right now because it's an EC not PV driven outcome.

His model thinks there is a better than 2/3 chance that Obama will win the popular vote. This isn't a fancy electoral college based argument. There is a *shitton* of evidence out there going in the other direction.


viewtopic.php_f=2&t=14222&p=1644188&hilit=Romney#p1644188

jerseyhoya wrote:Final prediction:
Romney 289-Obama 249
Romney pickups: Indiana, NE-02, North Carolina, Florida, Colorado, Virginia, Ohio, New Hampshire, Wisconsin

Someone should have Romney winning. I think it's plausible, though would feel better about this if he could show a touch of momentum in some of the national or state polls in the last few days.

viewtopic.php_f=2&t=14245&p=1651573&hilit=Romney#p1651573

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Re: Hillary has started to feel the Bern (Politics threat)

Postby JUburton » Thu Aug 20, 2015 14:29:37

goddamn. ethered.

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Re: Hillary has started to feel the Bern (Politics threat)

Postby CalvinBall » Thu Aug 20, 2015 15:09:17

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Re: Hillary has started to feel the Bern (Politics threat)

Postby ashton » Thu Aug 20, 2015 15:13:34

There have only been two presidents who were over 65 when they took office: William Henry Harrison, who died a month later, and Ronald Reagan, who was going senile during his second term.

Hillary Clinton will be 69 on inauguration day, Bernie Sanders will be 75, Al Gore will be 68, and Joe Biden will be 74.

Bill Clinton was president a generation ago, and yet the people who are considered viable candidates for the nomination are his wife, his running mate, and two guys who are several years older than him.

It's depressing that the Democratic party is incapable of developing the next generation of viable presidential candidates.

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Re: Hillary has started to feel the Bern (Politics threat)

Postby The Nightman Cometh » Thu Aug 20, 2015 15:31:53

Too early to mean anything, but Walker's polling positions getting weaker over the past couple weeks is #blessed.

His policies would do the most damage to the middle class of any legitimate candidate.
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Re: Hillary has started to feel the Bern (Politics threat)

Postby TomatoPie » Thu Aug 20, 2015 15:40:41

How does Biden keep up that creepy Uncle Joe act at 74? God bless our pharmaceutical industry!
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Re: Hillary has started to feel the Bern (Politics threat)

Postby pacino » Thu Aug 20, 2015 15:42:31

ashton wrote:There have only been two presidents who were over 65 when they took office: William Henry Harrison, who died a month later, and Ronald Reagan, who was going senile during his second term.

Hillary Clinton will be 69 on inauguration day, Bernie Sanders will be 75, Al Gore will be 68, and Joe Biden will be 74.

Bill Clinton was president a generation ago, and yet the people who are considered viable candidates for the nomination are his wife, his running mate, and two guys who are several years older than him.

It's depressing that the Democratic party is incapable of developing the next generation of viable presidential candidates.

we're too busy having this generation's right now

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Re: Hillary has started to feel the Bern (Politics threat)

Postby CalvinBall » Thu Aug 20, 2015 15:46:11

yeah i thought he was being intentionally obtuse. but maybe not.

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Re: Hillary has started to feel the Bern (Politics threat)

Postby ashton » Thu Aug 20, 2015 15:49:57

I'm talking about the 2016 election. Yes Obama sort of came out of nowhere eight years ago, but the point is that the Republicans have a bunch of 50 somethings who contend for the nomination every time, while we talk about whether Joe Biden will swoop in if Hillary falters, because there's no one under 65 who has national exposure.

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Re: Hillary has started to feel the Bern (Politics threat)

Postby pacino » Thu Aug 20, 2015 15:54:39

O'Malley is 52.

The reason no one jumped in is two-fold: 1. Viable people saw no reason to get decimated by Clinton 2. Less of a bench due to 2010 drubbing. Governors are a dime a dozen on the Republican side, not as much on the Democratic side right now.

The latter swings back and forth, the former is simply a construct of the 2016 election. The only people willing to challenge her had nothing to lose.
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Re: Hillary has started to feel the Bern (Politics threat)

Postby Houshphandzadeh » Thu Aug 20, 2015 15:56:59

how viable were you ever if you're scared of an old lady who's never done anything her whole career

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Re: Hillary has started to feel the Bern (Politics threat)

Postby CalvinBall » Thu Aug 20, 2015 15:58:59

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Re: Hillary has started to feel the Bern (Politics threat)

Postby pacino » Thu Aug 20, 2015 15:59:22

imagine Trump's face or Cruz calling them Fidel and Raul
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Re: Hillary has started to feel the Bern (Politics threat)

Postby jerseyhoya » Thu Aug 20, 2015 16:00:18

SK790 wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:
SK790 wrote:the guy who was sure Romney was would win in 2012

Gonna go with probably not.


jerseyhoya wrote:It's fucking stupid to think Romney is going to win? He's winning in the national polls. He is doing increasingly well among independents. He's campaigning like he's winning, which tracks with what I've heard from former coworkers, while the Obama campaign has the flailing, increasingly negative tone of a campaign that sees it slipping away.

There's no upside to me lying here. Most of you are lost causes, and I'm gonna be here posting after the election regardless of who wins. I write what I think, and I think Mitt is the favorite right now. I'm also a biased hack, so you're right to take what I say with a grain of salt. But I think I'm right.


viewtopic.php_f=2&t=14222&p=1645667&hilit=Romney#p1645667

jerseyhoya wrote:Nate's a lot smarter than I am, but if the election was held today I think Romney would win the popular vote and would probably win the Electoral College as well. I think Mitt would win at least 257 EVs (NC, FL, VA, CO), and then would only need Ohio or Wisconsin and Iowa or New Hampshire. I've heard whispers from people I used to work with that Romney is at least tied in both Ohio and Wisconsin. There's a serious lack of legitimate polling going on at the state level, and the whole Obama EC lock theory is built on a foundation of sand. The Gallup 7% lead is a mirage, but I think most of the GOP professional class feels pretty damn good about where this race is right now. The idea that Obama is better than 2-1 to win is completely fucking insane.


viewtopic.php_f=2&t=14205&p=1640450&hilit=Romney#p1640450

jerseyhoya wrote:
CalvinBall wrote:@jerseyhoya why do you think Romney wins Colorado? Obama is ahead in most of the recent polls. One he is up 5. Sure it will be close, but there isn't enough evidence that Romney can take the state as this is for a state like Florida. And as far as Virginia, it looks like a coin toss at this point.
I haven't seen any with him up 5%. Seems like they're just about tied, and I think PPP has been off (too Dem) on Colorado all year. CO and VA are both very close and could go either way. Romney is favored in both though at the jerseyhoya sportsbook.


viewtopic.php_f=2&t=14205&p=1640526&hilit=Romney#p1640526

jerseyhoya wrote:My biggest problem with Nate's formula is he has Obama winning nationally by 1.4%. And I don't think he's winning by 1.4% nationally. I don't understand how he gets there.

The people hyping up the OHIO or 'difficulty of Romney's path to 270' angles as the explanation are missing the substance of what Nate is putting out there. He has Obama wins EC loses PV at 6.1% and Romney wins EC loses PV at 2.3%. His model is 71/29 instead of 67/33 right now because it's an EC not PV driven outcome.

His model thinks there is a better than 2/3 chance that Obama will win the popular vote. This isn't a fancy electoral college based argument. There is a *shitton* of evidence out there going in the other direction.


viewtopic.php_f=2&t=14222&p=1644188&hilit=Romney#p1644188

jerseyhoya wrote:Final prediction:
Romney 289-Obama 249
Romney pickups: Indiana, NE-02, North Carolina, Florida, Colorado, Virginia, Ohio, New Hampshire, Wisconsin

Someone should have Romney winning. I think it's plausible, though would feel better about this if he could show a touch of momentum in some of the national or state polls in the last few days.

viewtopic.php_f=2&t=14245&p=1651573&hilit=Romney#p1651573

You're a natural Republican. Just lie about the shit you were dead wrong about.

Throughout October I was seeing a stream of optimistic internal polling at the state level that was contradicting the public polls at the state level but making sense with the public national popular vote polling showing the race even - RCP average. In the beginning of November Romney started leaking at the national level rather than gaining at the state level when the polls converged at the end of the race. I picked Romney in extremely halfhearted fashion, as you have demonstrated in the quote above. You sure don't know what the word 'sure' means.

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Re: Hillary has started to feel the Bern (Politics threat)

Postby CalvinBall » Thu Aug 20, 2015 16:02:12

Alison Lundergan Grimes is still pretty young too! i think she has a chance to be a national figure once mitch chokes on a tater tot or whatever.

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