Hillary has started to feel the Bern (Politics threat)

Re: Hillary has started to feel the Bern (Politics threat)

Postby SK790 » Wed Aug 26, 2015 00:18:54

it's like the Louis CK penis thing.
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Re: Hillary has started to feel the Bern (Politics threat)

Postby The Dude » Wed Aug 26, 2015 00:20:00

yeah. any opinions
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Re: Hillary has started to feel the Bern (Politics threat)

Postby wwry » Wed Aug 26, 2015 00:22:07

popping in this thread to say i do not support louis ck forcing the ladies to watch him jack his dick off but i do support my socialist friend bernie sanders.
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Re: Hillary has started to feel the Bern (Politics threat)

Postby SK790 » Wed Aug 26, 2015 00:26:02

The Dude wrote:yeah. any opinions

his views on gun control are good, imo.

seems like he'd be the guy to really "mitigate" his views on gun control, in that he's a white male from a rural state, and he seems to be harping on that every time he discusses gun control. at the end of the day, the NRA and gun nuts will hate him, but i think most people would look past it.

this is all in a fantasy world where bernie has a realistic shot, though.

louis ck is a scumbag.
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Re: Hillary has started to feel the Bern (Politics threat)

Postby The Dude » Wed Aug 26, 2015 00:30:12

thank you, much better when you actually address the point

i think his actual policies on guns aren't much different than the status quo. I think his coming from a rural state kind of affects his view on it, and in interviews, like the one below, he won't state anything specific and deflect it towards the mental illness point to keep his base happy

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolit ... un-control
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Re: Hillary has started to feel the Bern (Politics threat)

Postby The Dude » Wed Aug 26, 2015 00:50:31

ps i don't believe the louis thing
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Re: Hillary has started to feel the Bern (Politics threat)

Postby SK790 » Wed Aug 26, 2015 01:44:45

The Dude wrote:thank you, much better when you actually address the point

i think his actual policies on guns aren't much different than the status quo. I think his coming from a rural state kind of affects his view on it, and in interviews, like the one below, he won't state anything specific and deflect it towards the mental illness point to keep his base happy

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolit ... un-control

just because he alludes to it doesn't mean he's deflecting.

"So obviously, we need strong sensible gun control, and I will support it," "But some people think it's going to solve all of our problems, and it's not. You know what, we have a crisis in the capability of addressing mental health illness in this country. When people are hurting and are prepared to do something terrible, we need to do something immediately. We don't have that and we should have that."


if you've listened to any of his speeches so far this campaign, this is just how he talks. Bernie's a realist and that's why he's growing in popularity. he's said several times in his campaign speeches the past few months something like "even if i'm elected president, don't expect much to change because the house and senate will still fight to keep things the way they are, blah, blah blah". he's not trying to sell people an easy solution because he knows there never is one in politics and he's trying to get that across to a populace who seems not to understand that at all(see: freakout on the relatively minor problems with the rollout of Obamacare).

he doesn't go into specifics, that's true, but who the hell really is at this point in the presidential election?
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Re: Hillary has started to feel the Bern (Politics threat)

Postby drsmooth » Wed Aug 26, 2015 02:00:43

Don't mean to interrupt, but is this where we remark on Curt Shilling keeping the flame of former Phils pitchers getting attention for their, uh, peculiar sociopolitical slants - or is there a LLWS thread for same?
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Re: Hillary has started to feel the Bern (Politics threat)

Postby SK790 » Wed Aug 26, 2015 03:18:59

Go for it
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Re: Hillary has started to feel the Bern (Politics threat)

Postby Phan In Phlorida » Wed Aug 26, 2015 04:00:02

mozartpc27 wrote:... the Republican Party has been cashing in the "angry white guy" chips since the "Reagan Democrat" days ...

Even before then (ie, Nixon & the "Southern Strategy").
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Re: Hillary has started to feel the Bern (Politics threat)

Postby drsmooth » Wed Aug 26, 2015 07:53:22

SK790 wrote:Go for it


Curt Schilling, a star pitcher who was in the Major Leagues for 20 years and a baseball analyst for ESPN, was suspended from his Little League World Series duty after sending a controversial tweet Tuesday....The tweet re-posted a meme that reads: "It's said only 5-10% of Muslims are extremists. In 1940, only 7% of Germans were Nazis. How'd that go?"


Feels like it's kinda peculiar how reactionary extremists miss that that cautionary analogy about extremism is, essentially, about them
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Re: Hillary has started to feel the Bern (Politics threat)

Postby pacino » Wed Aug 26, 2015 08:05:34

A fancy Iowa conservative radio guy named Sam Clovis, who was the Iowa campaign chairman for Rick Perry and would "fly his wing through the gates of hell", quit the Perry campaign because he stopped getting paid and now is the new national co-chair and senior policy advisor for Donald Trump.

Guess he's in hell.

Trump ejects Univision reporter from a press event, lets him back in then they go back and forth on the idea of birthright citizenship.

Trump used 'asian voice' in a speech in Iowa.

New polls have Trump way ahead in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina. So maybe we're all in hell.
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Re: Hillary has started to feel the Bern (Politics threat)

Postby Roger Dorn » Wed Aug 26, 2015 10:42:20

Yeah I keep laughing when people say Trump doesn't have a chance and he's going to disappear. His polling numbers continue to rise every week. It's absurd.
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Re: Hillary has started to feel the Bern (Politics threat)

Postby drsmooth » Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:01:17

Roger Dorn wrote:Yeah I keep laughing when people say Trump doesn't have a chance and he's going to disappear.


if he's nominated, the republican party will disappear. You heard it here 1st
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Re: Hillary has started to feel the Bern (Politics threat)

Postby Bucky » Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:56:05

that's almost reason enough for me to jump on the trump bandwagon

for jh: not being snip or anything, just offering perspective: to me (and many other liburrls), trump is republicanism personified, only with no filter. The bullying, racism, elitism, sexism, lack of empathy, etc., seem to be exactly what the majority of the R leadership and base are are all about. If the R leadership doesn't agree with that assessment, then they need to actively prove that it doesn't fit, and they're constantly affirming it instead.

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Re: Hillary has started to feel the Bern (Politics threat)

Postby SK790 » Wed Aug 26, 2015 12:02:39

Bucky, I said the same thing a few weeks back. He really does embody their base.
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Re: Hillary has started to feel the Bern (Politics threat)

Postby drsmooth » Wed Aug 26, 2015 12:05:38

in fairness, I guess, to Jeb!, Kasich, et al, Trump's pushing all the crumbum buttons at once.

They're in the spot Gregory Peck (or ok, Nick Nolte) was in Cape Fear; the bad guy's 'always on' badness makes it hard to remind people of the merits of civility. Civility is polite, waits its turn, doesn't call names, fights in defense, etc
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Re: Hillary has started to feel the Bern (Politics threat)

Postby drsmooth » Wed Aug 26, 2015 12:06:50

mozartpc27 wrote:.... the question is: are they serious and do they have the ear of people who matter in the party, or are they themselves people who matter in the party, and if they are, are there enough of them to force, if not this time, then some time (particularly if they lose with a perceived middle-ground candidate like Bush or Kasich), the nomination of someone like Cruz? I mean, this is the Goldwater thing I am talking about...


My sense is the answer is affirmative on all points. The items I tossed out were examples of ways that strategy is being implemented. Heaven knows they don't need more money - they just need to persuade the money sloshing around that it needs more discipline.
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Re: Hillary has started to feel the Bern (Politics threat)

Postby Phred » Wed Aug 26, 2015 13:49:19

mozartpc27 wrote:By the bye, here is how you can tell Republicans aren't serious about immigration reform: if you REALLY wanted to stop people from coming here illegally, you wouldn't bother trying to build fences or hire more border cops. All of that is equivalent to fighting the human spirit itself, the desire - the human need - to better one's own and one's family's material conditions. If history has taught us ANYTHING, it's that you always lose when you fight the human drive for progress: build the fence - err, the wall - as high as you want, as thick as you want, as long as you want, and as reinforced by military police as you can afford - people will still find a way over if there is more to be had here than what they can get at home.

No, if you were SERIOUS about it, you wouldn't bother with the people trying to make a way for themselves at all - you would put the screws to every business owner who hires an undocumented worker, make the penalties financially and perhaps even criminally draconian. If there were no jobs to be had, people coming here to work off the books or under the table would be out of luck, and the stream of illegal immigrants would stop much more quickly. But this, of course, would not only involve the unpleasant reality of driving up the prices of any number of consumer goods which would then have to be explained to the public, it would, more importantly, run afoul of the most important part of the Republican base - the rich part, the OWNER part.

Because their proposals involve putting up walls to keep out the powerless, instead of setting up penalties to punish the advantage-seeking powerful, you know the Republican Party isn't serious about anything to do with immigration - except pandering to the poorest and more disaffected among its ranks.


How about if instead of punishing people, you build up the countries from which the illegals are coming so that there is really no advantage to coming here?
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Re: Hillary has started to feel the Bern (Politics threat)

Postby Soren » Wed Aug 26, 2015 13:52:44

lol that's what NAFTA is tho lol :jo motion:
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