Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby slugsrbad » Thu Nov 21, 2013 15:32:05

td11 wrote:from the WSJ, may 27, 2010
Yes, the Gulf Spill Is Obama's Katrina by K. Rove

how many more katrinas can Obama have i wonder?


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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby JFLNYC » Thu Nov 21, 2013 16:08:59

I think I may have seen something the Republican Playbook that encourages to faithful to call Katrina Obama's Katrina.
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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby Werthless » Thu Nov 21, 2013 16:30:43

td11 wrote:from the WSJ, may 27, 2010
Yes, the Gulf Spill Is Obama's Katrina by K. Rove

how many more katrinas can Obama have i wonder?

Obama's approval rating will have to recover in order for there to be more katrinas.

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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Thu Nov 21, 2013 16:36:59

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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby drsmooth » Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:24:36

Jerz called October's attitudinal move on ACA pretty accurately, though I'm not sure what his estimates of the magnitude were:

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the ~20% "don't knows" - a tribe whose number went UP in the face of the end-of-the-world news coverage-is either cheering or confusing - I'll go with the latter

Meanwhile, slack-ass political wizard Mitch McConnell thinks continuing to drub the law loudly is a shrewd move for him, even though there's some evidence KYNECT has some traction in that place where he needs every vote he can scrounge up
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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:31:08

KYNECT has arguably been the best of the state exchanges so far from what i've read. the turtle is boned
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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby JFLNYC » Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:33:32

Expanding Social Security

But a funny thing has happened in the past year or so. Suddenly, we’re hearing open discussion of the idea that Social Security should be expanded, not cut. Talk of Social Security expansion has even reached the Senate, with Tom Harkin introducing legislation that would increase benefits. A few days ago Senator Elizabeth Warren gave a stirring floor speech making the case for expanded benefits.

Where is this coming from? One answer is that the fiscal scolds driving the cut-Social-Security orthodoxy have, deservedly, lost a lot of credibility over the past few years. (Giving the ludicrous Paul Ryan an award for fiscal responsibility? And where’s my debt crisis?) Beyond that, America’s overall retirement system is in big trouble. There’s just one part of that system that’s working well: Social Security. And this suggests that we should make that program stronger, not weaker.


So there’s a strong case for expanding, not contracting, Social Security. Yes, this would cost money, and it would require additional taxes — a suggestion that will horrify the fiscal scolds, who have been insisting that if we raise taxes at all, the proceeds must go to deficit reduction, not to making our lives better. But the fiscal scolds have been wrong about everything, and it’s time to start thinking outside their box.
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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby Monkeyboy » Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:58:33

td11 wrote:from the WSJ, may 27, 2010
Yes, the Gulf Spill Is Obama's Katrina by K. Rove

how many more katrinas can Obama have i wonder?



As many as it takes to erase the black stain of Bush's presidency from our collective memories.

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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Fri Nov 22, 2013 12:03:46

thephan wrote:pacino's posting is one of the more important things revealed in weeks.

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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby Bucky » Fri Nov 22, 2013 12:08:01

better not answer your phone if it's an inside call for the foreseeable future

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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Fri Nov 22, 2013 16:46:33

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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby traderdave » Fri Nov 22, 2013 17:48:34

jerseyhoya wrote:Image


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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby JFLNYC » Fri Nov 22, 2013 17:58:29

There may be only one crack smoker, but there's a bunch of crack lovers.
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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby Rev_Beezer » Fri Nov 22, 2013 23:22:22

the letter showed up in the mail today- I am officially the Judge of Elections for my Voting Ward.
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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby drsmooth » Fri Nov 22, 2013 23:38:21

Rev_Beezer wrote:the letter showed up in the mail today- I am officially the Judge of Elections for my Voting Ward.


so now you're the vicar of voters?

the bishop of ballots?

the pope of the polls?

so much for separation of church & state

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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Nov 23, 2013 00:01:36

Of all the hollow arguments Senate Republicans have made in their attempt to scrap the opposition's right to have a say on President Bush's judicial nominees, the one that's most hypocritical insists that history is on their side in demanding a "simple up-or-down vote" on the Senate floor. Republicans and Democrats have used a variety of tactics, from filibuster threats to stealthy committee inaction on individual nominations, in blocking hundreds of presidential appointments across history, including about one in five Supreme Court nominees. This is all part of the Senate's time-honored deliberative role and of its protection of minority rights, which Republican leaders would now desecrate in overreaching from their majority perch.

Republican majorities blocked more than 60 judicial candidates during the Clinton administration by denying them committee hearings through the use of anonymous "blue slip" holds by individual lawmakers and a variety of other tactics just as effective, if less visible, than the filibuster. The majority leader, Bill Frist, who is zealously planning to smash the Senate rules, took part himself in a filibuster of a Clinton appeals court nominee.

But the majority leader is ignoring that history. With his eye clearly on a presidential run, he is playing to his party's extremist gallery by orchestrating a hazardous rules change that would block Democrats from following his example on a few of President Bush's most ideologically extreme and least qualified judicial nominees.

Democrats have hardly been obstructionists in their constitutional role of giving advice and consent; they have confirmed more than 200 Bush nominees, while balking at a mere seven who should be blocked on the merits, not for partisan reasons. This is a worthy fight, and the filibuster is a necessary weapon, considering that these are lifetime appointments to the powerful appellate judiciary, just below the Supreme Court. In more than two centuries, only 11 federal judges have been impeached for abusive court behavior. Clearly, uninhibited Senate debate in the deliberative stage, with the minority's voice preserved, is a crucial requirement.

The two nominees Senator Frist is putting forth first are singularly unqualified: The first, Priscilla Owen, has openly favored big business and flouted abortion rights on the Texas Supreme Court. The second, Janice Rogers Brown, has used her California Supreme Court post to belittle minority rights and rail against New Deal programs as a "socialist revolution." Taxpayers can at least be glad that the nominees' records are being publicly aired. Republicans relied on secrecy in bottling up Clinton nominations before they ever saw the light of debate.

Senator Frist, with the help of Vice President Dick Cheney, would sidestep a Senate precedent requiring two-thirds' approval for a rules change and instead have a simple majority strike down the filibuster on judicial nominees. He promises that there would be no effect on other legislation, but the damage would be incalculable. Democrats are already vowing procedural paybacks and gridlock.

A few moderate senators from both parties - realizing that the Senate's prestige is at stake, as much as its history - are seeking a compromise. We hope President Bush will step in to help find a solution. Otherwise, warns his fellow Republican Arlen Specter, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, the result will be the harmful crimping of minority rights in a proud deliberative body and "a dark, protracted era of divisive partisanship."

For five years, Senate Republicans have refused to allow confirmation votes on dozens of perfectly qualified candidates nominated by President Obama for government positions. They tried to nullify entire federal agencies by denying them leaders. They abused Senate rules past the point of tolerance or responsibility. And so they were left enraged and threatening revenge on Thursday when a majority did the only logical thing and stripped away their power to block the president’s nominees.

In a 52-to-48 vote that substantially altered the balance of power in Washington, the Senate changed its most infuriating rule and effectively ended the filibuster on executive and judicial appointments. From now on, if any senator tries to filibuster a presidential nominee, that filibuster can be stopped with a simple majority, not the 60-vote requirement of the past. That means a return to the democratic process of giving nominees an up-or-down vote, allowing them to be either confirmed or rejected by a simple majority.

The only exceptions are nominations to the Supreme Court, for which a filibuster would still be allowed. But now that the Senate has begun to tear down undemocratic procedures, the precedent set on Thursday will increase the pressure to end those filibusters, too.

This vote was long overdue. “I have waited 18 years for this moment,” said Senator Tom Harkin, Democrat of Iowa.

It would have been unthinkable just a few months ago, when the majority leader, Harry Reid, was still holding out hope for a long-lasting deal with Republicans and insisting that federal judges, because of their lifetime appointments, should still be subject to supermajority thresholds. But Mr. Reid, along with all but three Senate Democrats, was pushed to act by the Republicans’ refusal to allow any appointments to the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, just because they wanted to keep a conservative majority on that important court.

That move was as outrageous as the tactic they used earlier this year to try to cripple the National Labor Relations Board and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (which they despise) by blocking all appointments to those agencies. That obstruction was removed in July when Mr. Reid threatened to end the filibuster and Republicans backed down. The recent blockade of judges to the D.C. appellate court was the last straw.

Republicans warned that the rule change could haunt the Democrats if they lost the White House and the Senate. But the Constitution gives presidents the right to nominate top officials in their administration and name judges, and it says nothing about the ability of a Senate minority to stop them. (The practice barely existed before the 1970s.) From now on, voters will have to understand that presidents are likely to get their way on nominations if their party controls the Senate.

Given the extreme degree of Republican obstruction during the Obama administration, the Democrats had little choice but to change the filibuster rule. As Mr. Reid noted on the floor, half of all filibusters waged against nominations in Senate history have occurred since Mr. Obama was elected. Twenty of his district court nominees were filibustered; only three such filibusters took place before he took office. There has also been a record-setting amount of delay in approving the president’s choices for cabinet positions and federal agency posts, even when no objections have been raised about a nominee’s qualifications.

The rule change does not end the 60-vote threshold for blocking legislation, which we have argued is worth preserving. But the vote may lead to broader filibuster changes. A proposal by several younger Democratic senators to require “talking filibusters” — forcing objecting lawmakers to stand up at length and make their cases — may well gain steam now, and it could finally spell an end to logjams that have prevented important legislation from reaching votes.

Democrats made the filibuster change with a simple-majority vote, which Republicans insisted was a violation of the rules. There is ample precedent for this kind of change, though it should be used judiciously. Today’s vote was an appropriate use of that power, and it was necessary to turn the Senate back into a functioning legislative body.

THE PAPER OF RECORD. There is just a tremendous amount of gold there. I'm good with politicians being total hacks and flipping on procedural stuff when it's convenient, but you'd think the NYT would have at least a shred of dignity about the whole thing.

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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby drsmooth » Sat Nov 23, 2013 00:26:52

jerseyhoya wrote:
THE PAPER OF RECORD. There is just a tremendous amount of gold there. I'm good with politicians being total hacks and flipping on procedural stuff when it's convenient, but you'd think the NYT would have at least a shred of dignity about the whole thing.


You should include the dates of the quoted passages, or maybe better yet find out if the composition of the editorial panel changed - or how much it changed - from one set of quotes to the other. Because these things are composed by people, and sometimes by different people.

But why should "media" hew to hoary old notions of what they're supposed to have some dignity about anyway? It's 2013 - free markets, baby. Ask Werthless about the threadbare naivete of your sentimental notions
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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Nov 23, 2013 00:31:10

The current head of the editorial page was the deputy head in 2005. I, uh, think the change in the party in the White House and party making this change in the Senate has a fair bit more to do with the NYT's shift in thinking than a change in staff worldview.

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Re: Last I Checked, It's still 2013 - Politics Thread

Postby drsmooth » Sat Nov 23, 2013 01:04:37

jerseyhoya wrote:The current head of the editorial page was the deputy head in 2005. I, uh, think the change in the party in the White House and party making this change in the Senate has a fair bit more to do with the NYT's shift in thinking than a change in staff worldview.


the last part of my post is what you should respond to
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