Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby Rev_Beezer » Sat Feb 02, 2013 07:21:27

Maybe she's one of those "Hitler was good in the beginning" types.
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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby Rev_Beezer » Sat Feb 02, 2013 07:25:15

Speaking of, one of my kids from youth group essentially said that at our meeting on Wednesday. I didn't know how to say what I wanted to say without belittling him in front of the class, especially because he's like 11 years old, but I really wanted to punch his dad in the face when he came to pick the kid up. "Hitler was misunderstood, Pastor Brian." "Uh, I don't think that's true, Conner, unless you think that it's okay to murder millions of people because of their religion and ethnicity, which, by the way, it's not."

"Oh."

I wanted to chokeslam him something fierce.
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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby drsmooth » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:30:23

Rev_Beezer wrote:Speaking of, one of my kids from youth group essentially said that at our meeting on Wednesday. I didn't know how to say what I wanted to say without belittling him in front of the class, especially because he's like 11 years old, but I really wanted to punch his dad in the face when he came to pick the kid up. "Hitler was misunderstood, Pastor Brian." "Uh, I don't think that's true, Conner, unless you think that it's okay to murder millions of people because of their religion and ethnicity, which, by the way, it's not."

"Oh."

I wanted to chokeslam him something fierce.


to be fair, Chamberlain misunderstood Hitler

goddamned conservatives always misunderstanding everybody/thing
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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby Wolfgang622 » Sun Feb 03, 2013 00:23:30

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:Who in the hell is this idiot?

President Obama Commemorates the ‘Senseless’ Holocaust
By Eliana Johnson
January 28, 2013 1:18 P.M.

President Obama issued a statement yesterday to commemorate International Holocaust Remembrance Day. He noted that survivors who bore witness to “the horrors of the cattle cars, ghettos, and concentration camps have witnessed humanity at its very worst and know too well the pain of losing loved ones to senseless violence.” (We noted below how some in Europe chose to mark the day, which takes place each year on January 27, the day Soviet troops liberated Auschwitz.)

The idea that all violence is “senseless” violence is one that has taken deep root on the left; it’s also, unfortunately, one that poses a major impediment to understanding the world.

Nazism may have been an ideology to which the United States was — and to which the president is — implacably opposed, but it is hardly “senseless.” By the early 1930s, the Nazi party had hundreds of thousands of devoted members and repeatedly attracted a third of the votes in German elections; its political leaders campaigned on a platform comprising 25 non-senseless points, including the “unification of all Germans,” a demand for “land and territory for the sustenance of our people,” and an assertion that “no Jew can be a member of the race.” Suffice it to say, many sensible Germans were persuaded.

On September 12, 2012, President Obama also lamented the “the kind of senseless violence that took the lives” of four Americans in Benghazi. That, you may recall, is the day the president supposedly said the murders occurred as a result of a non-senseless terrorist attack carried out by jihadists.

This sanitized version of events, both past and present, is surely more comforting. It’s also truly senseless.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/339003/president-obama-commemorates-senseless-holocaust-eliana-johnson

I have to say, the comments are pretty awesome.


It's like she started to make a point that I think I sorta get and is not wholly without merit, but then got lazy about explaining herself (and lazy in her thought process). The end product is remarkably poor writing.
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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby Bucky » Sun Feb 03, 2013 00:32:05

naw, just stupidity. Her point is something like "it made sense to some people, so it's wrong to call it senseless". Hardly an event you want to contest semantics about.

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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby Soren » Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:38:44

just my opinion, but being upset someone compared healthcare reform to the holocaust isn't a trivial thing. There's a reason a lot of people in here think you're a dick jh.
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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby td11 » Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:57:53

The truth about ‘free Wi-Fi’

What you won’t find in the comments are responses to the proposal “designed by FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski” for the federal government to “create super Wi-Fi networks across the nation.” There’s a reason for that: The proposal exists only in the rich imaginations of a handful of cyber-socialists, who just can’t come to terms with the fact that America’s largely market-based communications policies are working, and instead see broadband as the next battlefield in the progressive war against private ownership. There’s a lot we can argue with the Obama administration about—but so far, nationalizing the Internet doesn’t seem to be on the list.


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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:11:04

Soren wrote:just my opinion, but being upset someone compared healthcare reform to the holocaust isn't a trivial thing. There's a reason a lot of people in here think you're a dick jh.

Her analogy was awful but she wasn't comparing healthcare reform to the holocaust. She was trying to say that insurance companies in supporting Obamacare are signing their own death warrant because its a large step on the road to single payer healthcare. Her analogy falls apart, for non Godwin reasons, because the insurance companies helped pass Obamacare/want to set up state exchanges because it benefits them in the short term, while Jews were not known for their eagerness to voluntarily get on trains to concentration camps.

Calvin posted an item that a) had been posted the day before and b) misrepresented what she said. Rather than writing a paragraph in response to him, I said you whined about it previously.

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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby Soren » Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:16:38

I don't have an issue with your political/economic view points. This is 'MURICA, god bless the fact that you disagree with me on almost everything and all that. I (and others) think you're an ass because you don't see the analogy as inherently abhorrent and feel compelled to defend it.
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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby thephan » Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:22:38

mozartpc27 wrote:
RichmondPhilsFan wrote:Who in the hell is this idiot?

President Obama Commemorates the ‘Senseless’ Holocaust
By Eliana Johnson
January 28, 2013 1:18 P.M.

President Obama issued a statement yesterday to commemorate International Holocaust Remembrance Day. He noted that survivors who bore witness to “the horrors of the cattle cars, ghettos, and concentration camps have witnessed humanity at its very worst and know too well the pain of losing loved ones to senseless violence.” (We noted below how some in Europe chose to mark the day, which takes place each year on January 27, the day Soviet troops liberated Auschwitz.)

The idea that all violence is “senseless” violence is one that has taken deep root on the left; it’s also, unfortunately, one that poses a major impediment to understanding the world.

Nazism may have been an ideology to which the United States was — and to which the president is — implacably opposed, but it is hardly “senseless.” By the early 1930s, the Nazi party had hundreds of thousands of devoted members and repeatedly attracted a third of the votes in German elections; its political leaders campaigned on a platform comprising 25 non-senseless points, including the “unification of all Germans,” a demand for “land and territory for the sustenance of our people,” and an assertion that “no Jew can be a member of the race.” Suffice it to say, many sensible Germans were persuaded.

On September 12, 2012, President Obama also lamented the “the kind of senseless violence that took the lives” of four Americans in Benghazi. That, you may recall, is the day the president supposedly said the murders occurred as a result of a non-senseless terrorist attack carried out by jihadists.

This sanitized version of events, both past and present, is surely more comforting. It’s also truly senseless.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/339003/president-obama-commemorates-senseless-holocaust-eliana-johnson

I have to say, the comments are pretty awesome.


It's like she started to make a point that I think I sorta get and is not wholly without merit, but then got lazy about explaining herself (and lazy in her thought process). The end product is remarkably poor writing.


She got distracted making her point when she had to go write wayne lapierre position statements about universal background checks not being universal because criminal elements will not comply, therefore it is not universal. Classic 'find the word and argue legal definition'. Bill Clinton, what have you done to us.
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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby thephan » Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:25:23

Navy released its position on sequestration effects. Employee furloughs 22 days per year, elimination of contracts, and across the board reduction of flight operations to get to a position $3B lower then today's budget.
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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby jerseyhoya » Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:30:07

Soren wrote:I don't have an issue with your political/economic view points. This is 'MURICA, god bless the fact that you disagree with me on almost everything and all that. I (and others) think you're an ass because you don't see the analogy as inherently abhorrent and feel compelled to defend it.

I said her analogy was awful. In general whenever a politician invokes the Holocaust, it's not only offensive (with rare exceptions), but it's stupid because it immediately overshadows any argument they're trying to make.

Calvin said "Idaho Republican says Obamcare is like shipping Jews to death camps." You said "just my opinion, but being upset someone compared healthcare reform to the holocaust isn't a trivial thing." The dumb woman from Idaho said “The insurance companies are creating their own tombs. Much like the Jews boarding the trains to concentration camps, private insurers are used by the feds to put the system in place because the federal government has no way to set up the exchange. Several years from now, the federal government will want nothing to do with private insurance companies. The feds will have a national system of health insurance and they will pull the trigger on the insurance companies.”

She's not saying that Obamacare is like shipping Jews to death camps or making a broad comparison between healthcare reform and the Holocaust. She's making an unhelpful, inappropriate and inaccurate comparison between the actions of insurance companies trying to lobby for state exchanges to be set up to the Holocaust. If you think it's weird that I feel compelled to point out that what you're saying is inaccurate, welcome to the Internet.

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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby Luzinski's Gut » Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:58:13

I just got the Army's as well. Very similar approach.

thephan wrote:Navy released its position on sequestration effects. Employee furloughs 22 days per year, elimination of contracts, and across the board reduction of flight operations to get to a position $3B lower then today's budget.
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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby thephan » Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:07:31

Luzinski's Gut wrote:I just got the Army's as well. Very similar approach.

thephan wrote:Navy released its position on sequestration effects. Employee furloughs 22 days per year, elimination of contracts, and across the board reduction of flight operations to get to a position $3B lower then today's budget.


I think the Army's is a bit more drastic. Isn't it 20% furlough, which is 52 days a year on the bench for civilian employees. The maintenance deferrals and training reductions are troubling as well.
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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby thephan » Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:14:45

I had my fill of hearing how government employees are unnecessary over the weekend. I guess it is sold in some segments that these people are incompetent and very happy to take tax payer money... almost like they steal it rather then work for it. Where there is room for efficiencies and improvement, which will reduce workforce, the attitude that had been spoon feed by some source is that the percentage reduction should be unimaginably huge, like 75%!!!

Then again I also had to hear about how we are turning socialist... while hearing how social security and medicare are rights. I tried to hint that the social in social security was a clue about American governance, but I was outnumber about 11 to 1 (table of 12), so I just cut my losses.
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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby Wolfgang622 » Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:19:05

thephan wrote:I had my fill of hearing how government employees are unnecessary over the weekend. I guess it is sold in some segments that these people are incompetent and very happy to take tax payer money... almost like they steal it rather then work for it. Where there is room for efficiencies and improvement, which will reduce workforce, the attitude that had been spoon feed by some source is that the percentage reduction should be unimaginably huge, like 75%!!!


Where were you hearing this from? It has certainly become one of the most obnoxious parts of our discourse that "public employees" are a more insidious sort of welfare recipient.
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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby Luzinski's Gut » Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:56:16

It's a 22 day furlough, likely spread out over 22 weeks, which is an end result of 20% of take home pay. The big one is the hit to the O+M accounts...going to be some bored ass muldoons sitting around if this goes through.

I'd also add there is an impression that public employees are paid too well for the jobs they have.

thephan wrote:
Luzinski's Gut wrote:I just got the Army's as well. Very similar approach.

thephan wrote:Navy released its position on sequestration effects. Employee furloughs 22 days per year, elimination of contracts, and across the board reduction of flight operations to get to a position $3B lower then today's budget.


I think the Army's is a bit more drastic. Isn't it 20% furlough, which is 52 days a year on the bench for civilian employees. The maintenance deferrals and training reductions are troubling as well.

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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby td11 » Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:59:47

John McCain @SenJohnMcCain
So Ahmadinejad wants to be first Iranian in space - wasn't he just there last week? "Iran launches monkey into space"

Justin Amash @repjustinamash
Maybe you should wisen up & not make racist jokes. “@SenJohnMcCain: Re: Iran space tweet - lighten up folks, can't everyone take a joke?”

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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby CalvinBall » Mon Feb 04, 2013 13:01:33

good on justins part.

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Re: Sequestering The Night Away - Politics

Postby JFLNYC » Mon Feb 04, 2013 13:10:28

Don't criticize McCain. He's the only U.S. Senator who knew Lincoln personally.
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