Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby TenuredVulture » Sat Sep 22, 2012 13:58:13

If I were super rich, I'd be all "what was that? I couldn't here you from my jet."
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Sat Sep 22, 2012 14:20:48

When the Republican took his place Wednesday night in the first of two back-to-back candidate forums televised on the mega-network, he was greeted by an adoring, raucous crowd that cheered his every word, and booed many of the moderators' questions.

The next night, President Obama was treated to stone cold silence from the audience as he was aggressively grilled on his lackluster immigration record.

The contrast was widely noted by observers who watched both forums — and it was glaring enough to evoke some boasting from the Romney campaign in the immediate aftermath.

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But the enthusiasm gap may have been an optical illusion formed by a series of last-minute demands by the Romney campaign, according to Maria Elena Salinas, one of the Univision anchors who moderated the forums.

Salinas told BuzzFeed that tickets for each forum were divided between the network, the respective campaigns, and the University of Miami (which hosted the events) — and she said both campaigns initially agreed to keep the audience comprised mostly of students, in keeping with the events' education theme.

But after exhausting the few conservative groups on campus, the Romney camp realized there weren't enough sympathetic students to fill the stands on their night — so they told the network and university that if they weren't given an exemption to the students-only rule, they might have to "reschedule."

The organizers relented. One Democrat with ties to the Obama campaign noted that Rudy Fernandez, the university official charged with coordinating the forums, is a member of Romney's Hispanic steering committee. Fernandez did not respond to BuzzFeed's questions about whether he gave preferential treatment to Romney's campaign.

In any case, Romney's team was allowed to bus in rowdy activists from around southern Florida in order to fill the extra seats at their town hall.

Obama's campaign, meanwhile, stuck to the original parameters and allowed a large chunk of the tickets to be distributed to interested students on campus. The result was a quiet, well-behaved crowd — and a lot of no-shows. Minutes before Obama's forum was to begin, producers began frantically directing university staff and volunteers to sit in the empty seats.

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That wouldn't be the last demand from the campaign: Romney himself almost pulled the plug on the whole thing minutes before the broadcast, Salinas said.

While introducing Romney at the top of the broadcast, Salinas's co-anchor, Jorge Ramos, noted that the Republican candidate had agreed to give the network 35 minutes, and that Obama had agreed to a full hour the next night. Ramos then invited the audience to welcome Romney to the stage — but the candidate didn't materialize.

"It was a very awkward moment, believe me," Salinas said.


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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby Phan In Phlorida » Sat Sep 22, 2012 14:27:24

TenuredVulture wrote:If I were super rich, I'd be all "what was that? I couldn't here you from my jet."

Ann Romney's charter jet made an emergency landing yesterday due to an electrical fire. I imagine it's hard to hear anyone with all that crackling noise.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby JFLNYC » Sat Sep 22, 2012 20:06:40

td11 wrote:


"I live for laughter."
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby TenuredVulture » Sat Sep 22, 2012 20:38:09

JFLNYC wrote:
td11 wrote:


"I live for laughter."


That explains his campaign.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Sat Sep 22, 2012 20:40:35

And now for something completely different.

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Sat Sep 22, 2012 20:47:30

TenuredVulture wrote:
JFLNYC wrote:
td11 wrote:


"I live for laughter."


That explains his campaign.

i literally watched this three times in a row. i feel sorry for the guy. he's just an awkward fella. this is a really soul-crushing video. the third time through i didnt laugh once, i just felt pain that he's just so damned awkward. reminds me of me when i was like 18.

i just didnt laugh i guess. i was sad more than anything.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby JFLNYC » Sat Sep 22, 2012 20:48:23

He makes Al Gore look loose.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Sat Sep 22, 2012 20:50:37

there's something about a guy that tries to please everyone like that there is a sadness inside regarding his own life. ive felt it.
not get all maudlin on all yall.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby JFLNYC » Sat Sep 22, 2012 20:54:28

I don't know that it's sadness, but he's got more defenses than Buddy Ryan.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Sat Sep 22, 2012 20:55:47

no bounties, though
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Sat Sep 22, 2012 21:13:19

How Paul Ryan Convinced Washington of His Genius

Ryan clearly surrounded himself with the right people, but he also benefited from a big structural change that was taking place on the Hill. In 1995, Gingrich slashed committee staffs, creating an opening for members of congressmen’s own offices to become more involved in policy-making than they previously would have been. Simply put, you didn’t have to know as much to be influential. Ryan spotted his opening. “It used to be a closed-down system where the committee had all the staff and expertise, and this shifted powers to the members more broadly,” said Matt Kibbe, who became friendly with Ryan while working on the staff of another House Republican.

The effects of the purge have lingered to this day, says Bruce Bartlett, a veteran of both the Reagan and first Bush administrations. After 1994, he explains, “the institutional knowledge about policy was gone, and it’s never been replaced. And as a consequence, it’s not that hard to do what Paul has done”—by which he means: build a reputation as a policy expert. The mystery is why others haven’t caught on. “I’ve never understood why other backbenchers don’t realize there’s an opportunity for anyone who becomes credibly knowledgeable about some issue that people care about,” he says.

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“I’ve literally never heard or read anything from [Ryan] that’s surprising or new,” Barney Frank told me late this summer. So why the big-thinker reputation? “Because he is being graded on a curve with a bunch of guys who jump into the Sea of Galilee because they want to be closer to God.”
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby JFLNYC » Sat Sep 22, 2012 21:32:33

Missin' u, Barney.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Sep 22, 2012 21:35:48

It's been way too long since we've had a catastrophic mortgage bubble driven in part by awful policies pushed by him

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Sat Sep 22, 2012 21:39:51

yes, it wasnt the overvaluing of mortgages and bundling them to create fake money, it was fannie mae and freddie mac.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby JFLNYC » Sat Sep 22, 2012 21:49:41

Yeah, blaming it on Barney is kinda weak.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Sat Sep 22, 2012 22:06:43

It was a massive, complex failure resulting from tons of bad decisions and policies from the Bush administration, Clinton administration, Republicans and Democrats in Congress, the Fed, quasi governmental organizations (Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac), big Wall Street firms, the ratings agencies, and probably some other important people/groups I'm leaving out. Few individuals are more culpable for what happened than Barney Frank.

I'm in the middle of reading Reckless Endangerment. It's a hell of a read.

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Sat Sep 22, 2012 22:18:27

i would blame james johnson and tim geithner more, and goldman sachs the most. they are a leech. and frank is no great shakes, but he's only playing within the system that was devised by GS. both parties are basically employees of goldman sachs.

this is the major issue i've had with president obama's administration, plus with fellow democrats who allow it because the president is a democrat. you shouldnt change your values because the president is in your party. capitalism is great. this is barely capitalism. this is a scheme. and the super-weak dodd/frank does hardly anything to fix it. it's better than nothing, but it's a band-aid on a gunshot.

i dont think we're that far apart, actually. it's too bad our leaders aren't either. i mean, corzine led the state of new jersey. he's not capable of leading ANYTHING. he's a fraudster. that hte democatic party is behind guys like this frustrates and insults me.

edit: rahm emmanuel may be the worst democrat in the US. he's not a democrat, in my book. he was given 12 million dollars to 'reform' education from people intent on destroying public education in chicago. so he goes after unions who aren't asking for more money but are asking for better education in chicago. and they strike and somehow they become the bad guys and not rahm? it amazed me.
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