Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby cshort » Fri Sep 21, 2012 16:07:51

Apparently she's claiming that this song was written about her

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Fri Sep 21, 2012 16:32:15

this is from last year, but

As it turns out, it is red states that are overwhelmingly the Welfare Queen States. Yes, that's right. Red States — the ones governed by folks who think government is too big and spending needs to be cut — are a net drain on the economy, taking in more federal spending than they pay out in federal taxes. They talk a good game, but stick Blue States with the bill.

Take a look at the difference between federal spending on any given state and the federal taxes received from that state. We measure the difference as a dollar amount: Federal Spending per Dollar of Federal Taxes. A figure of $1.00 means that particular state received as much as it paid in to the federal government. Anything over a dollar means the state received more than it paid; anything less than $1.00 means the state paid more in taxes than it received in services. The higher the figure, the more a given state is a welfare queen.

Of the twenty worst states, 16 are either Republican dominated or conservative states. Let's go through the top twenty.

New Mexico: $2.03
Mississippi: $2.02
Alaska: $1.84
Louisiana: $1.78
West Virginia: $1.76
North Dakota: $1.68
Alabama: $1.66
South Dakota: $1.53
Kentucky: $1.51
Virginia: $1.51
Montana: $1.47
Hawaii: $1.44
Maine: $1.41
Arkansas: $1.41
Oklahoma: $1.36
South Carolina: $1.35
Missouri: $1.32
Maryland: $1.30
Tennessee: $1.27
Idaho: $1.21


Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com/201 ... z278dnNVCQ
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Fri Sep 21, 2012 16:35:12

I wonder if those numbers include military spending.

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Fri Sep 21, 2012 16:41:14

ann romney telling peggy noonan and bill kristol to "stop it" (listen from about 1:15 on)

During her remarks to the crowd this afternoon, Mrs. Romney said it is “really hard for me as a wife” to watch the campaign unfold. Former Reagan speechwriter Peggy Noonan recently wrote that it’s “time for an intervention” in the Romney campaign. William Kristol, a conservative who is the editor of The Weekly Standard magazine, used the words “arrogant and stupid” to describe Romney’s comments about the “47 percent” of Americans who won’t vote for him.

During an interview early this evening with Radio Iowa, Mrs. Romney directly addressed her fellow Republicans who’ve criticized her husband.

“Stop it. This is hard. You want to try it? Get in the ring,” she said. “This is hard and, you know, it’s an important thing that we’re doing right now and it’s an important election and it is time for all Americans to realize how significant this election is and how lucky we are to have someone with Mitt’s qualifications and experience and know-how to be able to have the opportunity to run this country.”


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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby Doll Is Mine » Fri Sep 21, 2012 16:43:15

The more I hear from Ann Romney, the less I like her. She comes across as bossy.

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby cshort » Fri Sep 21, 2012 16:46:22

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:I wonder if those numbers include military spending.

Or Social Security payments to retirees.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby JFLNYC » Fri Sep 21, 2012 16:54:35

It's obvious Democratic politicians are too stupid to game the system.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby Monkeyboy » Fri Sep 21, 2012 16:56:31

cshort wrote:
pacino wrote:
cshort wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:
Monkeyboy wrote:
jerseyhoya wrote:So Mitt gives a lot of money away and pays a lot of taxes and has paid a lot of taxes every year.

Now we can go back to distracting issues like whether Americans needlessly died in Libya.



If Mitt wins, a lot more Americans will be dying needlessly, not that it matters to someone who supports the party of war and poisonous water and air.



And I forgot about the 24,000 who die from our use of coal. Better support that industry with our tax money, especially since we get over half a million asthma attacks per year on top of the deaths. Now those are results!!

Cars kill 40,000 people a year - better get rid of them too. Horses aren't as dangerous - only 20 people a year die from horse related injuries. We should probably kill Ann Romney's horse though, just in case.

There are much better options than coal. Coal sucks the life out of Appalachia.


I don't like the sweeping "let's get rid of xyz" statements, when there are ways to use a resource appropriately. Coal can be useful, and should be used in clean burning plants, while the polluting ones should be shuttered. The industry should also be required to have certain levels of responsibility wrt worker safety and the environment. For many in Appalachia, it's their only source of income-what would happen if coal leaves? West Virginia doesn't have much else. If coal can't compete on a playing field where it has the proper safety and environmental standards because of cost, then so be it. If it can, why shouldn't we use it?


I don't like "let's get rid of x,y,z" statements either, which is why I didn't use one. I also don't see anyone saying that coal shouldn't be used if it has the proper safety and environmental standards. What I have a problem with is attacking any kind of clean energies as if they are evil incarnations that must be stamped out while lying about coal being "clean," which is what I see in ads and what I hear from supporters of the industry. I also don't like coal being subsidized out the butt while greener technologies are passed over.

We need to use coal in the short-term, but tougher standards need to be in place. And then we should be pushing for the technologies that will replace it to get here sooner, not after prices soar and the industry gets its pound of flesh.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby RichmondPhilsFan » Fri Sep 21, 2012 17:02:10

cshort wrote:
RichmondPhilsFan wrote:I wonder if those numbers include military spending.

Or Social Security payments to retirees.

No chance. Florida would be on the list then.

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby TenuredVulture » Fri Sep 21, 2012 17:05:57

RichmondPhilsFan wrote:
cshort wrote:
RichmondPhilsFan wrote:I wonder if those numbers include military spending.

Or Social Security payments to retirees.

No chance. Florida would be on the list then.


I'm almost certain ss, medicare, and medicaid would be included. I'd bet that places like Mississippi have a higher proportion of people on those programs than Florida. Lotta old people in the South.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Fri Sep 21, 2012 17:06:57

cshort wrote:
RichmondPhilsFan wrote:I wonder if those numbers include military spending.

Or Social Security payments to retirees.


it came from a tax foundation study, but i can't seem to figure that out

would it make a huge difference?
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Fri Sep 21, 2012 17:09:53

and hereis wiki's article on it with 2007 data. of the 19 states that made a net positive contribution, 15 went blue in 2008.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby td11 » Fri Sep 21, 2012 17:11:30

but really, missin u lethal
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby Phan In Phlorida » Fri Sep 21, 2012 18:06:21

From some article back in April/May...
A record unearthed Monday shows that US Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren has a great-great-great grandmother listed in an 1894 document as a Cherokee, said a genealogist at the New England Historic and Genealogy Society.

Supposedly it's a 1894 Oklahoma Territory marriage license application of a son. Supposedly there are also family letters from the same time period mentioning the same. Whether true or not, it's more likely than not that it is what Warren has believed her whole life.

How did this become an issue? Because Harvard University Law School touted Warren as a minority hire when they were under fire for a lack of faculty diversity... Warren wasn't aware they were gonna cover their ass by using her heritage, and a Harvard dean had said her heritage had no bearing on her hiring. Then a Tea Party website claimed it was lie. Brown, a Tea Party endorsed candidate in 2010, is trying to make nice with the Tea Party because they mad at him for not fully embracing all of the drastic budget cuts the Tea Party luvs.

The original Boston Tea Party participants disguied themselves as Mohawks... oh the irony.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby Eddie Jordan » Fri Sep 21, 2012 18:13:54

I don't really have a problem with her identifying as Native if she believes that she is. I still think she probably used it to try and gain an advantage, and I don't condone that, but whatever. I would never say she's "not Native enough", that's kinda a silly argument too. Of course native bloodlines are thinned out, Cshort's relatives gave them all polio blankets and the rest is history.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby Doll Is Mine » Fri Sep 21, 2012 18:33:11

:lol: Poor Jill...


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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby dajafi » Fri Sep 21, 2012 18:44:55

td11 wrote:ann romney telling peggy noonan and bill kristol to "stop it" (listen from about 1:15 on)

During her remarks to the crowd this afternoon, Mrs. Romney said it is “really hard for me as a wife” to watch the campaign unfold. Former Reagan speechwriter Peggy Noonan recently wrote that it’s “time for an intervention” in the Romney campaign. William Kristol, a conservative who is the editor of The Weekly Standard magazine, used the words “arrogant and stupid” to describe Romney’s comments about the “47 percent” of Americans who won’t vote for him.

During an interview early this evening with Radio Iowa, Mrs. Romney directly addressed her fellow Republicans who’ve criticized her husband.

“Stop it. This is hard. You want to try it? Get in the ring,” she said. “This is hard and, you know, it’s an important thing that we’re doing right now and it’s an important election and it is time for all Americans to realize how significant this election is and how lucky we are to have someone with Mitt’s qualifications and experience and know-how to be able to have the opportunity to run this country.”


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Someone on twitter made the good point that if Michelle Obama had said anything about how lucky we are to have Barry O in the race, we'd have never heard the end of it. Ann Romney clearly is an An(n)gry White Woman.

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby CalvinBall » Sat Sep 22, 2012 00:37:25

Libyans overran some terrorist compound. Seems kind of unprecedented.

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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby SK790 » Sat Sep 22, 2012 13:28:08

dajafi wrote:
td11 wrote:ann romney telling peggy noonan and bill kristol to "stop it" (listen from about 1:15 on)

During her remarks to the crowd this afternoon, Mrs. Romney said it is “really hard for me as a wife” to watch the campaign unfold. Former Reagan speechwriter Peggy Noonan recently wrote that it’s “time for an intervention” in the Romney campaign. William Kristol, a conservative who is the editor of The Weekly Standard magazine, used the words “arrogant and stupid” to describe Romney’s comments about the “47 percent” of Americans who won’t vote for him.

During an interview early this evening with Radio Iowa, Mrs. Romney directly addressed her fellow Republicans who’ve criticized her husband.

“Stop it. This is hard. You want to try it? Get in the ring,” she said. “This is hard and, you know, it’s an important thing that we’re doing right now and it’s an important election and it is time for all Americans to realize how significant this election is and how lucky we are to have someone with Mitt’s qualifications and experience and know-how to be able to have the opportunity to run this country.”


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Someone on twitter made the good point that if Michelle Obama had said anything about how lucky we are to have Barry O in the race, we'd have never heard the end of it. Ann Romney clearly is an An(n)gry White Woman.

Really, how is this not a bigger deal? We're lucky to have Mitt run? She's practically whining about how hard it is to run a presidential campaign. No shit it's hard, your husband is running for the highest office in the country, it should be hard. When people on your own side are attacking your gaffes, you probably screwed up pretty badly.
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Re: Don't Fact Check Me, Bro: The Politics Thread

Postby dajafi » Sat Sep 22, 2012 13:48:19

One thing that the last few years should have made clear is that as a group, the super-rich are probably the biggest bunch of bitches and whiners in America. Krugman writes about this with respect to the Wall Street people taking offense at Obama's (very mild) criticisms of them: the "Ma, he's looking at me funny!" theory of the economy...

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