Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

Re: Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

Postby drsmooth » Wed May 09, 2012 15:13:15

jerseyhoya wrote:
MoBettle wrote:Obama is about to do an interview with roberts about the nc fall out. Will bombs be dropped?

Thus ends one of the weirder political dances of recent times, when everyone and their mother knew he was lying about his position for years

Good for him, I guess


I know romney's lying about him knowing the first thing about creating jobs

good for me
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Re: Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed May 09, 2012 15:16:45

jeff2sf wrote:Jersey, can you explain the following quote with respect to Scott Brown and the Tea Party

If Mourdock loses the general election, Republican moderates and their lobbyist friends on K Street will paint the Tea Party as extremists who can’t win elections. They will will try and define the Tea Party movement as the party of Christine O’Donnell, Sharon Angle, and Joe Miller. But if Mourdock wins, the Tea Party will be the center of the Republican Party, embodied by Sens. Marco Rubio, Ron Johnson, Rand Paul, Scott Brown.

The tea party movement played a big role in his election?

Political commentators say dumb things?

You can take your pick

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Re: Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

Postby jeff2sf » Wed May 09, 2012 15:19:12

How did they play a big role? Isn't he like anathema to what they want? He's to the left of Lugar no?
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Re: Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

Postby jerseyhoya » Wed May 09, 2012 15:22:11

jeff2sf wrote:How did they play a big role? Isn't he like anathema to what they want? He's to the left of Lugar no?

He ran on being the 41st vote against Obamacare and raised like a bajillion dollars from conservatives across the country

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Re: Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

Postby pacino » Wed May 09, 2012 15:22:27

log cabin republicans are SOOOO mad at the president right now.

what a joke these guys are.
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Re: Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

Unread postby dajafi » Wed May 09, 2012 16:04:13

I think Obama must have concluded that he'll gain a lot more money than he'll lose votes by this position. Probably right.

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Re: Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

Unread postby pacino » Wed May 09, 2012 16:06:01

lots of flamethrowers on the president are probably eating crow right now. in fact, i know some are. i'm not the biggest fan of the man, but not voting for him is the opposite of a solution. hopefully this shows that putting pressure and promising money/help is hte way to go for guys like htem.
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Re: Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

Unread postby drsmooth » Wed May 09, 2012 16:22:00

jeff2sf wrote:How did they play a big role? Isn't he like anathema to what they want? He's to the left of Lugar no?


Maybe they mean that the Indiana vote is an inflection point for the tea party, in terms of its perceived legitimacy among beltway types?

I thought that had been litigated already, but
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Re: Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

Unread postby dajafi » Wed May 09, 2012 16:26:48

Is it just way too obvious to suggest that a single characterization of the Tea Party or any other movement as "an asset" or "a liability" is kind of retarded on its face? Granted, there are so many hours and columns to fill.

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Re: Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

Unread postby Bucky » Wed May 09, 2012 16:28:23

dajafi wrote:I think Obama must have concluded that he'll gain a lot more money than he'll lose votes by this position. Probably right.



discounting the possibility that he's just doing what he thinks is right? Serious question.

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Re: Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

Unread postby drsmooth » Wed May 09, 2012 17:45:44

dajafi wrote:Is it just way too obvious to suggest that a single characterization of the Tea Party or any other movement as "an asset" or "a liability" is kind of retarded on its face? Granted, there are so many hours and columns to fill.


the pigeonhole has never been given the respect it is due
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Re: Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

Unread postby Werthless » Wed May 09, 2012 23:28:44

pacino wrote: hopefully this shows that putting pressure and promising money/help is hte way to go for guys like htem.

Leadership!

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Re: Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

Unread postby Werthless » Wed May 09, 2012 23:32:05

td11 wrote:
"My own view, by the way, was that the auto companies needed to go through bankruptcy before government help, and frankly that's finally what the President did," Romney said during an interview with ABC News' Cleveland affiliate WEWS on Monday. "He took them through bankruptcy. That was the right course I argued for from the very beginning. It was the AW and the President that delayed the idea of bankruptcy."

"I pushed the idea of a managed bankruptcy, and finally when that was done and help was given, the companies got back on their feet, so I'll take a lot of credit for the fact that this industry's come back," Romney told WEWS .


link

dude wrote a "let detroit go bankrupt" op-ed in 2008.

This is one instance where I think most people would agree that the Presidents subversion of bankrupcy law was not a good thing. He reshuffled all the established interests to give ownership to the unions. I don't see why that is better than allowing bankrupcy law decide the babkrupcy, as Romney supported.

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Re: Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Wed May 09, 2012 23:40:23

Werthless wrote:
pacino wrote: hopefully this shows that putting pressure and promising money/help is hte way to go for guys like htem.

Leadership!

Was trying to work up a leading from behind/gay marriage joke but couldn't figure out how to pull it off

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Re: Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

Unread postby drsmooth » Wed May 09, 2012 23:51:54

Werthless wrote:This is one instance where I think most people would agree that the Presidents subversion of bankrupcy law was not a good thing.


What makes you believe most people would agree to that idea?

see what I did there?
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Re: Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

Unread postby CalvinBall » Thu May 10, 2012 00:03:40

This episode of This American Life is a few weeks old but I just got around to listening to it. It is all about campaign finance. They even talk to McCain and Feingold at the end for a few minutes. Really fascinating. JH, if you have the time, I think it is something you would enjoy.


http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-a ... for-office

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Re: Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

Unread postby CalvinBall » Thu May 10, 2012 00:05:44

Also, the first act of this episode is awesome too. Crazy story about a no-shot political campaign and how the guy who was running ends up in federal prison because of it.

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-a ... -vs-venial

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Re: Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

Unread postby td11 » Thu May 10, 2012 00:17:05

Werthless wrote:
td11 wrote:
"My own view, by the way, was that the auto companies needed to go through bankruptcy before government help, and frankly that's finally what the President did," Romney said during an interview with ABC News' Cleveland affiliate WEWS on Monday. "He took them through bankruptcy. That was the right course I argued for from the very beginning. It was the AW and the President that delayed the idea of bankruptcy."

"I pushed the idea of a managed bankruptcy, and finally when that was done and help was given, the companies got back on their feet, so I'll take a lot of credit for the fact that this industry's come back," Romney told WEWS .


link

dude wrote a "let detroit go bankrupt" op-ed in 2008.

This is one instance where I think most people would agree that the Presidents subversion of bankrupcy law was not a good thing. He reshuffled all the established interests to give ownership to the unions. I don't see why that is better than allowing bankrupcy law decide the babkrupcy, as Romney supported.


my point was just that before the "managed bankruptcy" part happened, the govt had to pour billions into the auto industry to save it which is the part that romney vehemently opposed.
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Re: Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

Unread postby jerseyhoya » Thu May 10, 2012 01:01:29

Huge victory margin for Barrett, massive GOP turnout for Walker

JS piece looking at the absurd turnout for Walker

Horseshoes, hand grenades

It’s just not normal in politics for a major incumbent with token opposition to generate turnout on a par with a heavily contested race in the other party. It was an unexpected turnout bomb, a demonstration of Walker’s greatest political asset, even greater than his considerable money advantage -- the ability to mobilize his base.

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Re: Is It November Yet? Politics Thread

Unread postby MoBettle » Thu May 10, 2012 20:38:23

i get that romney was just a kid and was probably the definition of a sheltered upbringing and didn't fully understand how people can be different at that point of his life, and it probably didn't have anything to do with think the kid was gay (More likely just because he was different), but how the hell does he expect anyone to believe that he "doesn't recall" holding a kid down and cutting his hair off?
Two days later I get a text back that says I'm a basketball player and a businessman, not a Thundercat.

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